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Post by puppy on Mar 11, 2008 18:36:01 GMT -5
kumbis, brooklyn, northwest , I'm glad we're on the same page! The doc is sooo creepy. I can't figure out what Danpung saw in him in the first place.
We saw Ep, 91 last nite where she's starting to regret her wimpyness. He pays no attention and says he's going ahead with the engagement anyway. With who? His sports car?
The mothers are now going to meet and hash it out. I have enormous respect for Korean culture, especially their regard for older people, but why do the parents think they call the shots where love and marriage are concerned? They have approval rights, even set the date and decide where the kiddies are going to live. Is that really the way it is in today's Korea and even with expat Koreans?
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Post by soapygrams on Mar 11, 2008 22:06:04 GMT -5
YEP! It is a concept we here in the USA have a big problem with accepting. However, please consider that this is the way it has been done in Korea for CENTURIES! Just within the past few years was a change in the law GIVING THE FATHER TOTAL CUSTODY OF THE CHILDREN IN A DIVORCE, even if HE was at fault! The mother had NO RIGHTS. It was the Confusion law. It now is decided on a case by case basis. The Confusion law is unheard of here in this country but that was the Korean LAW. We have been raised with the "love" concept of marriage - but you know, we have an extremely HIGH divorce rate compared to some other countries ... I'm not saying that love should NOT be considered but I am saying that not ALL arranged marriages are a disaster. Many existed with deep affection of the spouse for each other and a very happy family of children. It's all to do with what you are raised to accept as your culture and tradition. ;D
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Post by northwest on Mar 12, 2008 6:41:34 GMT -5
I too noticed how involved the parents are when it comes to their children's marriages and I was wondering if that is the way it really is in Korea. Also I notice that when people get married, in K-dramas, they move in with the groom's parents instead of living on their own, like newlyweds do here. What is the reason for this? It's so interesting how every culture is so different.
Soapygrams, you are right when you say that we have a high divorce rate even though we can marry freely and for 'love'. I've heard many times that 50 percent of all marriages in this country end in divorce. But I also think that the two biggest decisions in life (getting married and having children) are not always well thought out. Many people just fall into getting married (and marrying the wrong person) and having children because it's what they are "supposed to do" and not really what they "wanted to do". I know a few people like this.
I'm am curious though, what is the divorce rate in Korea? Is it as high as ours? and what is the biggest reason for divorce in Korea? Someone I know, who is Korean, said that the biggest reason for divorce in Korea is conflicts with the in-laws. Is this true?
Conflicts with in-laws are a big reason for divorce here too.
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Post by zorro on Mar 12, 2008 10:48:07 GMT -5
How to tell who may end up with who…
All the shows usually show the opening credits with the stars in order of prominence and who they will relate to the most. In LON Danpung and Baekho are first in line, then Sua/Seonjae/Jiyeong, then Eva/Dalhyeon/Miae, Mansu/Dongji, etc. Furthermore, they usually show a group shot at the end of the intro, and there too, you can usually see who's partnered up.
This has been the pattern with almost all the dramas/comedies that I remember.
And since Doctor Boy is nowhere to be seen in the intros anywhere, I have to presume he's just a distraction to provide tension and aggravation for the rest of us.
Definitely an unscientific study on my part, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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Post by kumbis16 on Mar 12, 2008 12:20:45 GMT -5
Zorro it actually makes sense. I guess the Doc isn't really part of the big picture after all.lol
Puppy how funny was that when Lipstick decided to go on with the engagement? How pathetic!... Yah maybe he'll get engaged to his car after all or chicken walk (too bad she's already married). The Doc really gets on my last nerves and I was glad that DP finally stood up to him and yelled at him a little.
Northwest I'm originally from Africa and it's tradition for newlyweds to move in with the groom's parents. One reason being that elders live with their kids until the "end" instead of being placed in Home Care centers like most people in America do and so they have the sons stay with their parents instead of buying another house. They also do this to help the bride get closer to the parents and help the MIL around the house (cooking and cleaning.. one thing MIL forgot to tell Suah) and also help keep the family home alive when they have kids. Of course the problem with this is that if you have more than one son and they all get married, the women have to get along but in most cases they don't ( women don't always get along... duuh). This tradition fortunately or unfortunately even if still strongly present in our culture is now slowly dying out what with the young generation choosing to live alone with their wives. I have a lot of good memories of the time when all my uncles lived with their wives and kids at Grandma's.
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Post by gworks on Mar 12, 2008 13:05:13 GMT -5
Not sure I agree totally. Although I am kinda new to KDramas, we don't get a group shot at the end of the intro like they did in High as the Sky, maybe it is a network thing. The other thing I noticed is that Chan isn't in the opening credits. Athough he doesn't have many speaking roles, I think he is a pivitol person on the show.
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Post by Gracien on Mar 12, 2008 14:08:48 GMT -5
The divorce rate in Korea is higher than America. Reasons, male parents emasculate their sons, so bringing a wife into the mix the parent tends to abuse, manipulate each other. I am happy this practice is dying with the younger generation, no offense we go to school, study hard get degrees and then we have to demean ourself my our in laws outlandish rational, I sometimes cannot understan their way of thinking it not normal or logical no one in theri right mind have those thoughts. Wives, tend to be treated badly, works like a slave, and be repremanded and no one to stand up for her, because hubby take mummies side and ask you to be better. Isn't that a crock of dudu. I find living with inlaws means you do not want your marriage to lastor work. Koreans on the whole love to hit, and that brings up a lot of abusive relations. For example in Japan, I was astounded by the amount of abused wives of Korean national, and they just take the beatings, the husbands are also quite unfaithful, these alll stems from the kind of parent that raise them.
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Post by door60 on Mar 12, 2008 17:56:04 GMT -5
Northwest, I was told that the reason why newlyweds often live with the groom's parents is to get "close". I can say this -- I am glad I didn't have to live with my in-laws when I got married! Also, I am surprised that opening credits do not include Dr. Annoying -- he's been in most of the episodes so far.
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Post by sheila on Mar 12, 2008 19:59:52 GMT -5
I'm no expert but I've seen stats that the highest divorce rate in the world is in the US. In recent years there has been a decline but only because the number of couples living together rather than going through a formal marriage have increased.
And according to stats, the Korean divorce rates jumped sky high after the law was changed to ack women's rights (and that children do not automatically go to the father) but after a decade, the divorce rates are going down now.
Grayson, I am surprised about what you experienced in Japan. I've always thought the Japanese were the most infamous when it came to wife beating. Didn't they have a PM a couple of years ago who said on national tv that married men should beat their wives regularly, like he does his wife, to keep them in line? It caused a stir everywhere else but in Japan!
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Post by northwest on Mar 12, 2008 20:00:52 GMT -5
Grayson, that is almost exactly what my Korean friend said and also, I have heard what Door60 said about getting close with the in-laws by living together. I've heard that usually the mother-in-law is so abusive to the daugher-in-law and the husband takes the mother's side.
But that kind of thing can happen here with American marriages too, although here, most couples, especially newlyweds do not live with thier in-laws.
As far as the credits on the show go, I don't think I've seen Jiyeong's new beau (Ujin?) in there either.
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Post by pilseung on Mar 13, 2008 6:05:08 GMT -5
June 13,2006 (Source: Global Times) Statistics from the United Nations show a trend of rising divorce rates in many countries in recent years. The divorce rate has been high in many European countries and America, but now many Asian countries are catching up. The divorce rate in Korea, for example, is ranked third in the world. The US: People fear divorce more than marriageAbout 59% of America's population of 300 million is married. Although over 90% of American adults look forward to married life, divorce rates are still very high. During the 1950s, more than 90% of married couples would stay together for ten years or more, but in the 1990s, this percentage has fallen to below 50%. In recent years, many older adults have been getting divorced after they turn 60, or even 80 years old. American experts says that there are many reasons for the rising divorce rate, including people's longer life spans, new generational values, and the growing economic independence of women. Another reason is that it is extremely easy to get divorced in America. In recent years, as the economy has struggled and jobs have become harder to find, younger Americans are not willing to marry so quickly and those who are married are not so quick to divorce. Korea: Divorce rate ranks 3rd in the world According to Korean government statistics, the divorce rate in Korea is growing at an average rate of 0.5% per year. In the past ten years, the total number of divorces has increased by nearly three times. That is to say, out of every 1,000 couples, 2.8 of them will divorce, making Korea's divorce rate the third highest in the world after America and the UK. There are various reasons why the divorce rate in Korea is so high, but the main reason is disagreements between the mother-in-law and wife. A representative from Korea's family courts who handles divorce cases went on the record to say, "Divorce cases always increase after Mid-autumn Day, New Year and the summer holiday because couples are more likely to quarrel about going to the in-laws house. And then once they get there, as problems between the mother-in-law and wife become from pronounced, someone ends up demanding a divorce." [does this remind you of MIL n Dongji? ] Another factor that has led to rising divorce rates is a change in values. More women are initiating divorce or separation procedures. 66.7% of divorces in 2003 were initiated by women, compared to 30.6% by men. Among the reasons cited for getting a divorce, 46.4% of divorces occur because the wife or husband is having an affair. In order to curb the rising divorce rate, the government has enacted certain measures that have proven to be effective. In March 2005, the Seoul Family Court implemented a mandatory "thinking period" and counseling session which couples must complete before applying for a divorce.. NOT such good reading!
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Post by Gracien on Mar 13, 2008 13:24:51 GMT -5
Northwest & Sheila you will be amazed by the severety of some of those beatings, mu girlfriend work for a crisis center there and that is where I encountered such atrocities, not only Japanese, Koreans, Phillopinos etc, etc. That is why I am so not into the Asian way of matrimony, its archaic, each person should have that priviledge of falling in love and living happily, not with abusive in laws but build and share a life with that spouse. I am not bashing, its just so sad I have several Korean frinds who choose not to marry Korean for the sole fact that they wanted their own life, not to have to be self serving and timid, and needed to be treated like a human being. Look how they treat their biracial childrens.. well that another topic. Abuse/Divorce is growing in all walks of life, we women should stand firm and tall and refuse to be hit, or become an independent women, where you have your own monies and not dependent on any man..
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Post by greenandgold on Mar 13, 2008 15:23:27 GMT -5
Northwest & Sheila you will be amazed by the severety of some of those beatings, mu girlfriend work for a crisis center there and that is where I encountered such atrocities, not only Japanese, Koreans, Phillopinos etc, etc. That is why I am so not into the Asian way of matrimony, its archaic, each person should have that priviledge of falling in love and living happily, not with abusive in laws but build and share a life with that spouse. well.. technically the Filipino way of matrimony is very similar (the same?) to that of the US but i do agree with everything else u said ohh anyways someone should post more spoilers ;D i want to know more spoilers
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Post by pilseung on Mar 13, 2008 16:04:29 GMT -5
greenandgold wrote: ohh anyways someone should post more spoilers ;D i want to know more spoilers
greenandgold What type of spoilers? Sheila already posts full episode summaries which are practically up-to-date with Korea?
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Post by greenandgold on Mar 13, 2008 18:06:31 GMT -5
ohh im sry im new to the forum and i just saw that this is the first one on the forum and thought that these is wer all the spoilers are posted at ;D sry
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