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Post by seven stars on Oct 12, 2007 8:31:13 GMT -5
Mimosa may be a slick planner, but if ep.54 was anything to go by, he has ghastly judgment as an administrator. I don't know what irritated me more - the phoniness of the plotting or its silliness. Here is the top strategist of a secret organization about to execute its most brilliant leader - a man the entire series shows to be pretty much irreplaceable - along with his most essential enforcer, on "principle" yet, without the least regard for what kind of havoc that would play with the organization itself, or what kind of disastrous reaction it might cause in the leader's well-armed father! He consults with no one, checks nothing and just forges ahead, sword flashing. And he wants to commit this lunacy not because DJY is disloyal or suspect, but because he questions the need to kill a man he knows a lot better than Mimosa. This was clearly done to wring the last drop of melodramatic pathos out of the situation, never mind how it falsified what we know of the characters, or how pointless it was. The Mimosa who has been characterized thus far would have consulted with the king and both questioned and checked far more carefully before taking any action, never mind an action so potentially destructive to the entire organization and all its goals. Dae Jo-young is one of the better historical series, and I've been enjoying it a lot, but this piece of bad writing-plotting-characterization made my teeth grind. It seems to me that this scenario was placed for effect more than anything else. I felt it on that occasion, but I was not moved when Heuk Sudol was joined on his knees by Gulsabiwu after getting Dongmyoungchun soldiers captured and tortured. In my case, part of the problem is that I tape these episodes and sometimes watch them four or five in a row. Therefore if there is a redundancy in the storyline I always pick up on it even if it's separated by several weeks.
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Post by tinkerbell on Oct 22, 2007 11:54:43 GMT -5
seven stars, you are right about Li Kaigu, I didn't mean to include him in the "loathsome" category. He is on my list of people I'd like to see out of the picture, not necessarily eliminated. Now that Bu Kiwon is gone, I think Shin Hong should be next not Xue because SH is the mastermind behind things. Well it should be interesting to see what happens after last weeks "chess match". Which group will make the winning move? Things look a little bleak for the League but....
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Post by seven stars on Oct 26, 2007 9:44:45 GMT -5
seven stars, you are right about Li Kaigu, I didn't mean to include him in the "loathsome" category. He is on my list of people I'd like to see out of the picture, not necessarily eliminated. Now that Bu Kiwon is gone, I think Shin Hong should be next not Xue because SH is the mastermind behind things. Well it should be interesting to see what happens after last weeks "chess match". Which group will make the winning move? Things look a little bleak for the League but.... I didn't have the opportunity to watch last night Tinkerbell, but will be seeing yesterday's and today's episodes hopefully over the weekend. I think you're right that Kaigu will outlast Shin Hong, and certainly Xue Rengui.
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Post by tinkerbell on Oct 26, 2007 12:31:42 GMT -5
EPISODE# 65
OH NO!!! Another torture scene last night, including the ladies! How can they be so brutal? That is the one thing I can't watch on these shows. I bet Geumlan finally talking blew Xue Rengui's mind. The situation looks almost hopeless, but things have to get better. But how? There are so many people to be rescued and will they all make it out alive? I was shocked that Namseng didn't just warn them. Obviously he thought it was the best way to keep them alive, but I wouldn't have trusted the likes of Shin Hong. He is just the most devious looking, evil excuse of a human being that there is on the show right now. All this supposedly from when Li Kaigu's father was killed how many years ago? That's an extremely long time to harbor a grudge and hatred, and it wasn't really Dae Jungsang's fault that he died.
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Post by skinz on Oct 28, 2007 0:23:18 GMT -5
Hey, everybody....NYC just saw episode 44 (man, we are so behind its not even funny...NYC is at 44 while Korea is at 115 I think).
Anyway, I was watching episode 110 and beyond and I noticed how improved the presentation looked......I saw new costumes, sets, camera shots, and all the actors looked more polished and groomed lol!!
Did the success play a part on the upgrade?
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Post by seven stars on Oct 29, 2007 8:12:21 GMT -5
Interesting. Did you find that episode online Skinz?
Also, does anybody know how long this series is?
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Post by skinz on Oct 29, 2007 11:13:41 GMT -5
Interesting. Did you find that episode online Skinz? Also, does anybody know how long this series is? Yeah....its all over Youtube but no subtitles I think someone said 130 episodes.......
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Post by ajk on Oct 29, 2007 15:11:35 GMT -5
According to truth, the final tally is 136 episodes.
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Post by tinkerbell on Oct 29, 2007 17:13:25 GMT -5
skinz, I guess you are seeing the "return of King Bojang and Mimosa", DJY and Chulin getting engaged, and the king of Shilla getting involved in the plot line.
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Post by jojo on Nov 2, 2007 17:02:12 GMT -5
I'm so glad to have found a this place!! I have to get this off of my mind: After seeing episodes 65 & 66, where the league was practically decimated in Andong Protectorate, I was d e v a s t a t e d! I didn't think anyone would survive. I broke down into tears!! My only hope is that there are a lot more episodes to go. (watching from WYBE in Philly) jojo
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Post by vickieh on Nov 3, 2007 22:12:13 GMT -5
I just watched Eps. 104 tonight. I am not giving out any spoilers. But I really liked it.
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Post by tinkerbell on Nov 5, 2007 12:34:19 GMT -5
Welcome jojo, glad to have another WYBE watcher. Please continue to share your thoughts with us. In regard to your comment, you know at least DJY and a few others would survive, but who would make it out alive. The situation right now looks bleak, but there's still hope. Things could get worse, but they have to get better eventually right? We have a long way to go if there are 136 episodes in this drama.
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Post by jojo on Nov 6, 2007 14:23:39 GMT -5
Thank you for the welcome tinkerbell!
Episodes 66 & 67 aired in Phila last week. Brilliant idea to get the Turkish tribe to help them, and very interesting to see DJY & co convince the tribal leader! Liked the leader eating a turkey leg! Didn't know Geumlan was so adept at using a sword! Zowie! Good thinking smashing the bowl to distract the tribal leader's attention.
I like Sukyoung, but the writers need to give her more lines besides "your majesty!" I like her reserve, resilency and dedication to the cause, but she needs better lines. As for her rival Chuilan, she seems a bit fickle. I think she was PO'd that Dae Jo Young didn't swear his undying love for her, when they saw each other in the village. On the other hand, Dae Jo Young seemed crushed to see her. How much could she have loved him if she ran off to marry Li Kaigu, even if she thought Dae Jo Young was dead? Though in her position, I suppose marriage is very political and love hasn't too much to do with it. (missed all those episodes)
I love Li Wen's smile, so sly, fits his character perfectly. But how did this happen! That he's about to capture Dae Jo Young, his sworn brothers, the King and his niece?? Yikes! I hope Mimosa has something up his sleeve.
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Post by tinkerbell on Nov 7, 2007 10:57:21 GMT -5
EPISODE# 67 & 68
jojo, DJY & Co. don't have a lot of choices left to form an alliance and the Turks also consider Tang an enemy. We'll see how that works out. Good, I hope. You must have missed earlier episodes that showed Geumlan's "abilities". She was brought in by Mimosa to kill Xue Rengui and she can certainly take care of herself. I like the Princess too and wish they would give her more dialog and action.I agree about Chulin being fickle, but I think if she hadn't been pregnant with DJY's baby, she might not have gone back to Li Kaigu. She didn't want her baby to grow up without a father and that seemed to dictate her actions. Now she is back to hating DJY AGAIN, but makes those googly eyes :owhen she sees him or even hears his name. Somebody better have something up their sleeve or else it will be" another fine mess they got into". We shall see tomorrow night.
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Post by mugwump on Nov 8, 2007 19:04:54 GMT -5
Remember, once Li Haigu spilled the beans that Chulin was pregnant, she didn't have much choice but to marry him. Her father was going to kill the baby otherwise. Now I think she's trying to resign herself to being a dutiful wife and Khitan fighting for Yingzhou. She knows they'll only get Yingzhou by killing DJY, so she's trying to think of him as the enemy to make the pain easier to bear. Just like DJY keeps telling everyone that Chulin is the enemy and he doesn't love her anymore (rying to ease his pain).
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