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Post by cyuser on Mar 17, 2006 16:49:58 GMT -5
Okay, Cy said that Haru/Day was a retard. And then mikey has him listed as mentally limited. Which is he? Is he just slow in learning or what??? It sounds like a good show. I've never seen the actors, so this should be nice for me. My english is quite limited. If you tell me what's different between retard and mentally limited then I will tell you which one it is .. One of the main charater Haru(day) who played by Yoo gun is a newcomer ... He's very talented.
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Post by CaptainVideo on Mar 18, 2006 0:13:31 GMT -5
Geez, I hate being the first one again. I had a real good time with the violent mood swings of this show. I think I'm having a bit of a problem with the Flowers for Algernon twist that the story has taken, though. Does anybody know the length of this series?
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Post by Lucy on Mar 20, 2006 12:34:10 GMT -5
Yes, he is mentally retarded (there was a discussion about this term somewhere before, but not in connection with this drama). Retarded simply means slow or limited in development. Like when you see in the ingredients list of a product that something was "added to retard spoilage"--i.e., to slow spoilage or keep it at bay. The word itself is not offensive, but it's been used as a strong insult for so long that it no longer sounds like a valid term. It is, though, particularly if you use it with "mentally," IMO. "Retard," however, is an offensive term, no question. It's a name people call other people as an insult. I don't know if there is a better technical term than "mentally retarded" to describe Day's status. Apparently he is a class 3; I don't know what that means, but it appears to mean mildly retarded.
CaptVid, "mood swings"? I hadn't noticed any in the first two eps. I've read it goes for 16.
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Post by ovaridedis24 on Mar 20, 2006 13:08:14 GMT -5
So far, it seems interesting enough, I missed about the first hour or so, I totally forgot that it's a new show in this time slot now.
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Post by TheBo on Mar 21, 2006 10:54:26 GMT -5
Let me clarify this "retard" thing. The reason it is considered insulting and rude is because you are not looking at someone as a person, but rather, a classification. Here is an illustration: A friend of mine was pregnant several years ago. She hated it, because she said everyone looked at her and didn't see her, they only saw "a Pregnant." Similarly, I have heard some people referring to a homeless person as "a Homeless." As though their condition had become them. That's why it's rude. Because they are no longer a person with a condition, but just the condition itself.
I hope that's not too long or circuitous an explanation, LOL.
Bo
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Post by BAE on Mar 21, 2006 11:25:27 GMT -5
Thanks for the explanations all. I just wanted to know whether he was slow in learning (academically) or whether he actually had a "problem." But those definitions along with episode viewings clear things up, thanks.
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Post by Lucy on Mar 21, 2006 11:25:53 GMT -5
I see what you mean, Bo, but in my opinion it's mainly insulting because the sense of "retard" is intentionally derogatory. It takes a person's condition and turns it into something ugly to throw back in their face. It's like calling someone a cripple. People say to someone they want to insult, "What are you, a RE-tard?" It's very ugly and hurtful to people who do have such developmental limitation, even if they're not present and never hear the word. On another subject, I noticed that they did have real developmentally disabled people at the school in the first episode--but funnily enough, the hero of the show is a movie-star-handsome, hunky, yet mildly retarded man. Gee, when has that every happened before? Anyone ever seen the movie "Tim," starring Mel Gibson in a similar role? Hey, don't get me wrong, I love to watch a sweet, cheerful, and, oh, yeah, gorgeous character for 16 episodes. I just wonder how often this happens in real life.
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Post by ginnycat5 on Mar 21, 2006 18:46:11 GMT -5
And they weren't just props, either, they acted-a nice little group. I hope they're in some more scenes.
Also, the students had different kinds of disabilities, so Day wasn't *totally* odd, not as if he were one hunk in a room of boys with Downs syndrome.
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Post by Lucy on Mar 22, 2006 11:24:55 GMT -5
Yes, it was so sweet when the students put on a show to welcome the new teacher. She's only going to be there a month! I love the little formalities we see in Korean life. It did seem to me they had Down syndrome, though, whatever other disabilities they might have had.
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Post by Lucy on Mar 22, 2006 11:32:28 GMT -5
Thanks for the explanations all. I just wanted to know whether he was slow in learning (academically) or whether he actually had a "problem." But those definitions along with episode viewings clear things up, thanks. BAE, I'm not sure there's much of a difference in his case. Not that you're necessarily saying this, but mental retardation doesn't always mean Down syndrome or brain damage or slowness due to some other identifiable "syndrome" or cause. What you describe as "slow in learning" could be described as mental retardation, particularly if it's mild retardation, which apparently 80% of people so diagnosed are (mildly, I mean). If his learning is so slow that it's a problem, then he has "a problem." That probably doesn't make as much sense to anyone else as is does to me, . I mean, he obviously is not developmentally able to be completely independent or educated at the normal level for his age, so I think that's where he stands. He's highly functional, can hold down a job, and moves about the town independently, but he needs protection from getting into things he isn't equipped to understand fully. I would think that sameness and stability are very important to a person like him, and that he doesn't understand some of the more complicated aspects of human behavior, such as deceit and the various plots that people hatch against each other.
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Post by sushimi on Mar 26, 2006 15:06:56 GMT -5
CYUSER thank you very much for this wonderful pics.... Haru is very handsome... and so touching...
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