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Soon-ie
Jan 20, 2006 12:28:37 GMT -5
Post by Lucy on Jan 20, 2006 12:28:37 GMT -5
Yes, she was just told at the end of last Saturday's episode. If you watch tonight I'm sure they'll show it again at the beginning of the episode.
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Soon-ie
Jan 20, 2006 16:30:40 GMT -5
Post by ginnycat5 on Jan 20, 2006 16:30:40 GMT -5
Today on "Vitamine" the showwas about stomach cancer. They were saying that even in advanced stages, it can have few or no external symptoms. The high incidence of stomach cancer in Korea is alarming. It's the leading cause of death there. The scientist sort of blamed salty foods, didn't he? Salt destroys the protective layer in the stomach. Also too much smoked and burned foods are bad (and they showed a BBQ grill). Twice or 3 times a week was ok. I thought he was up and down on ulcers and that bacteria- h. pylori. ? And the magic food today was apples, to get rid of any lead you ingest. Vitamin is such a good show, I was taking notes.
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Soon-ie
Jan 20, 2006 18:21:54 GMT -5
Post by Lucy on Jan 20, 2006 18:21:54 GMT -5
Ugh. That's one of the things I worry about, because all my life I've eaten a lot of salt. My sister, too. I once again told her of my worries the other day, and she pooh-poohed it, saying that it's a lot of hooey and that she thinks salt is really really good for you, only no one ever says so. We used to joke in the wintertime and pretend we were going to get out of the car and lick up the salt on the roads. What a couple of weirdos, huh? I'm in denial, and I hold to the opinion that salt is good for you because it "preserves" you. P.S. About apples, I just read in the paper today that two apples a day (aboug 8 g of fiber) do a good job of protecting you from secondhand smoke, for one thing.
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Soon-ie
Jan 20, 2006 20:05:01 GMT -5
Post by Soju on Jan 20, 2006 20:05:01 GMT -5
They said Koreans eat eight times as much salt as Americans and Canadians do.
After watching this show, I went out and bought some apples ;D Ususally I peel them, but they said that the peel is good for you. They also said growers nowadays wrap the fruit before spraying the trees, and that most pesticides are water-soluble, so that a thorough washing should remove it.
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Soon-ie
Jan 21, 2006 10:38:24 GMT -5
Post by Lovely on Jan 21, 2006 10:38:24 GMT -5
I was so proud of Soonie when she stood up to her mother-in-law! Everything Soonie said was true, "I only live once...why do I have to settle for less in this life...I should do what I want to do, etc."...those weren't her exact words, but it was something along those lines. I felt bad for her when she was talking to her brother (Chul-su) on the phone about their father. Also when she had to see her father get into a fight with the other men.
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Soon-ie
Jan 21, 2006 11:08:07 GMT -5
Post by BAE on Jan 21, 2006 11:08:07 GMT -5
But how could her mother-in-law be so cold hearted? After that entire spiel, i felt that Soonie deserved some comfort or something. Instead, she calls a family meeting and plots ways to force SI to divorce or forfeit the property, which she has a hand in by the way. It seemed like Ms. Bong was on her side, but then again, that lady only works towards her benefit.
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Soon-ie
Jan 21, 2006 20:05:32 GMT -5
Post by TheBo on Jan 21, 2006 20:05:32 GMT -5
..."What? We came all the way over here and this is all we can do to him?" "Don't worry, they'll be other occassions".... Aigu hilarious! Hah, hah, hah. And perhaps there will be now... Bo
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Soon-ie
Jan 21, 2006 20:17:09 GMT -5
Post by TheBo on Jan 21, 2006 20:17:09 GMT -5
...I'm in denial, and I hold to the opinion that salt is good for you because it "preserves" you. .... Oh mein gott! I was just thinking, "My sister always says that modern foods are good for you because the preservatives preserve you." And then you said that! (Not the Evil One, by the way, but the Other...LOL.) The Other is a great believer in modern medicine and treating every symptom aggressively, to the point of overmedication, too. So I guess she'll never meet Soonie's fate. I did not realize there is a high incidence of stomach cancer in Korea. I was amazed at how cruel the doctor was...basically saying it's her fault she's dying. But she did ignore some pretty vicious symptoms. On the other hand, she's been under tremendous "stress-se" so it's understandable she'd be vomiting all the time. So that doctor should get such a smack. I have been increasingly disappointed to see so many K-dramas falling back on traffic accidents and cancer to resolve every situation, but if stomach cancer is so prevalent and hard to detect, perhaps they are trying to do a public service. I had a friend who had stomach cancer, they detected it due to an unrelated stomach problem, then she died five or six years later of a heart attack, after she was considered "cured" of the cancer (she told me that five years life afterward is considered a "cure" in cancer situations). I remember calling her when she was in the hospital and she made some horrid unfunny scatological joke and that was about the last thing she ever said to me. Not that this is germane to the discussion. I guess my point is, they never would have found it if she hadn't been suffering indigestion, and the indigestion was unrelated to the stomach cancer. Bo
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Soon-ie
Jan 21, 2006 20:19:13 GMT -5
Post by TheBo on Jan 21, 2006 20:19:13 GMT -5
But how could her mother-in-law be so cold hearted? After that entire spiel, i felt that Soonie deserved some comfort or something. Instead, she calls a family meeting and plots ways to force SI to divorce or forfeit the property, which she has a hand in by the way. It seemed like Ms. Bong was on her side, but then again, that lady only works towards her benefit. Yes, I was disgusted by that, also, Bae. He only had to mention that the woman was willing to bear him a son (I doubt that is anything more than wishful thinking on his part, by the way) and she fell over like a domino. What a terrible woman. She deserves Miss Bong. Bo
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Soon-ie
Jan 21, 2006 21:10:42 GMT -5
Post by ginnycatunlogged on Jan 21, 2006 21:10:42 GMT -5
Are you sure the indigestion isn't related to her stomach cancer? Both seem to be getting worse.
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Soon-ie
Jan 22, 2006 2:21:16 GMT -5
Post by TheBo on Jan 22, 2006 2:21:16 GMT -5
Are you sure the indigestion isn't related to her stomach cancer? Both seem to be getting worse. I'm sorry, Ginny, I know my post was garbled. When I said that, I was referring to my friend, not Soonie. And that was what her doctor said. But also, he was talking about the early phases of stomach cancer. By the time you are in the late stages, where the cancer is affecting the workings of your stomach, I understand you do have vomiting, etc. but it's too late by then. Or that's what she said. Bo
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Soon-ie
Jan 22, 2006 20:21:40 GMT -5
Post by galacticchick on Jan 22, 2006 20:21:40 GMT -5
I was so proud of Soonie when she stood up to her mother-in-law! Everything Soonie said was true, "I only live once...why do I have to settle for less in this life...I should do what I want to do, etc."...those weren't her exact words, but it was something along those lines. I felt bad for her when she was talking to her brother (Chul-su) on the phone about their father. Also when she had to see her father get into a fight with the other men. I thought this scene was wonderful. She has just come to the realization that she's lived her life in vain. All the time she was saving and sacrificing she was doing it for people who never appreciated it. She was dropped without so much as a second thought. Another killer scene is her dream sequence, when she is "choking" her husband. Not so much because of the choking part but because of what she said "Why am I the one that's dying? It's not fair. I've never been anything good to you, you were the one that did wrong, so why is this happening to me" I'm glad that she's complaining instead of just being silent. However, I wish she would tell her sister, it's so horrible to see her being mistreated when could at least have the satisfaction of seeing them squirm a little bit with guilt. Did anyone ever read The Joy Luck Club? She should do it like that lady's mom who before she died cursed the family she lived with and they lived in fear of her spirit for the rest of their lives.
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Soon-ie
Jan 23, 2006 11:43:22 GMT -5
Post by TheBo on Jan 23, 2006 11:43:22 GMT -5
I saw JLC, gal-ck. I did not read the book though, I don't remember the movie well enough if that was in it. I love that. That's what I would do if my family mistreated me. Hah! I'll bet anyone would if they could; maybe it's a good thing you realy can't. Er, I hope.
Bo
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Soon-ie
Jan 23, 2006 13:57:50 GMT -5
Post by Lucy on Jan 23, 2006 13:57:50 GMT -5
It's such a nightmare, her reaction to the diagnosis/prognosis. She sure has had nothing but trouble all her life and gotten nothing for her pain and effort. She is so angry she can't see straight, and she has no one to tell it to. I'm sure she feels she can't tell Young-ie, especially now that she's revealed as "the other woman." That compulsive clothes shopping and grocery shopping was a hideous spectacle. Poor lady. It's odd to me that she doesn't think of her children, or at least she didn't until we saw the scene where she asks the husband to care for them if she's not around.
What kind of an idiot is so blindly hostile that he thinks everything she says is a trick or evidence that she's trying to put one over on him. She asks him to go to the hospital with her (but doesn't tell him why--bad Soon-ie!), then a minute later implies she won't be around much longer, and he doesn't get it??
I was thinking about her confrontation with her MIL over the weekend. My hunch is that the family is such a strong entity in Korean culture that individual feelings and motives are not nearly as important as they are to us. Here Soon-ie is raging (opaquely) about what's bothering her, but the MIL, being loyal first and foremost to her son, doesn't even stop to wonder about what might be going on internally (emotionally, I mean) with her. It doesn't really matter. All MIL knows is that this woman has become nothing but trouble and should do the right thing by fading away. "There's a new kid in town, Soon-ie, and you're just embarrassing us all."
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Soon-ie
Jan 23, 2006 17:41:59 GMT -5
Post by BAE on Jan 23, 2006 17:41:59 GMT -5
Well worded Lucy. No one seems to empathize with Soonie. She's tried to reveal her pain as well as her struggle with her cancer all by herself and it just seems like no one will come to her aid until the very end. Her father cannot be depended upon, her sister she feels like she can't trust anymore, and then we have her portentious little Inlaws who never liked her to begin with. I just wish she'd get on with it and tell them all.
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