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Post by BungalowDweller on Jul 23, 2005 17:29:27 GMT -5
I think trespasser (and some posters from Korea) has a kind of ultranationalistic viewpoint about Korean history. They also hate Won Kyun so much. That's why the official Korean IYSS board as well as this Chicago board are filled with their insults about IYSS and KBS. Thought-provoking, Choko! I would think that for most non-Koreans such nuances go right over our heads. What accounts for this "ultranationalistic" expression? Is it the ideology of a particular political faction? Thanks!
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Post by Trespasser on Jul 24, 2005 20:23:10 GMT -5
So according to official history, Yi Sung Gae was a Korean born in Manchuria(His hometown was Manchu-ruled at the time. It won't be for another 50 years after his death that his hometwon would be made Korean), had Manchurian childhood friends who would be with him to the end, ruled over a large number of Manchus as a warlord, all his cavalry were Manchus, tens of thousands of Manchus came to cheer him as he decided to betray Koryo in a coup, returned to Manchuria after abdicating, and waged war against his own son using Manchu troops, and died in Manchuria? Hell, even Qing founder Nurhachi was a decendant of Yi's core follower. Damn, Yi Sung Gae must have been one hell of a leader to convince all those Manchus to follow him.
The truth is, Yi Sung Gae was a Manchu born in Manchuria, who turned to Koryo for a public title. That's the cold hard truth. And this has nothing to do with racism, just as Koryo itself was founded by a Chinese immigrant merchant, who backstabbed the prince of Silla.
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Post by Choko on Jul 25, 2005 7:30:40 GMT -5
Thought-provoking, Choko! I would think that for most non-Koreans such nuances go right over our heads. What accounts for this "ultranationalistic" expression? Is it the ideology of a particular political faction? Thanks! No, Ultranationalists are not yet a political faction. They are a minority group. I think I'm also a bit of nationlist, but I think the ultranationalists are similar to racists, because they discriminate all races except pureblooded Korean people. Look at the messages made by some Korean ultaranationalists here in Chicago IYSS board. YSS is, of course, great but they do not allow other people to compare YSS with other heroes such as Nelson or Washington. Nationalism is their religion.
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Post by Skinz UL on Jul 25, 2005 9:12:43 GMT -5
You know Choko, I was thinking the same thing. Lately they have been numerous posters that have some intentions in their messages.
So there Ultranationalists? Sounds like some scary cult or something. Wonder why they decided to show up on this board now instead of before? Was it the special the KBS showed about this board?
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Post by TheBo on Aug 3, 2005 14:56:35 GMT -5
... (Do you agree that the Samurais are gorgeous? : Well, only the ones who don't shave their heads, LOL! Bo
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Post by florel unlogged on Aug 3, 2005 15:26:33 GMT -5
... (Do you agree that the Samurais are gorgeous? : Well, only the ones who don't shave their heads, LOL! Bo To me, Todo Takatora in the drama looks handsome even though he is shaven. ;D And he has good voice above all. Well, Chow Yun Fat was also charming even with his shaven head (Manchurian style) in "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon". ;D
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Post by Daemado on Aug 8, 2005 15:41:01 GMT -5
More linkage on Yi Gu's Ukrainian-American ex-wife: 'Last Princess' Bids Last Farewell to Ex-Husband english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200508/200508080013.html'Last Princess' Denied Final Meeting With Ex-Husband english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200508/200508080013.htmlBy her recounting the two met while working for renowned architect I.M. Pei, but divorced in 1982 under pressure from the royal clan. Totally off-topic but does anyone know of any English-language accounts of the later days of Francesca Rhee? I understand she was controversial and unpopular with many Koreans. High-profile political spouses are even less popular in Korea than in the U.S., often for good reasons, but I think it would be unfair to dismiss her as just another influence-peddler or money-grubber.
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Post by kinoeugene on Aug 8, 2005 19:56:03 GMT -5
The truth is, Yi Sung Gae was a Manchu born in Manchuria, who turned to Koryo for a public title. That's the cold hard truth. And this has nothing to do with racism, just as Koryo itself was founded by a Chinese immigrant merchant, who backstabbed the prince of Silla. As I know, Yi Sung Gae was a korean who was a member of clan Yi of Jeon-Ju(in Jeonla province). His ancestor Yi An Sa settled in Manshuria doing kinda officer for Mongol dynasty. It is true he was born in Manchuria, however he was not Manchu. And Wang Gun, the Koryo founder, and his family was a powerful aristocracy in KaeSung area in Shilla dynasty. Was his family chinese immigrants? I've never heard of that kinda thing. I think Wang Gun's clan came from Koguryo or Balhae. Unfortunately there are no enough material for the history of Wang family. If you've read about those things, please let me know. That would be helpful for me.
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Post by TheBo on Aug 9, 2005 12:42:34 GMT -5
Well, only the ones who don't shave their heads, LOL! Bo To me, Todo Takatora in the drama looks handsome even though he is shaven. ;D And he has good voice above all. Well, Chow Yun Fat was also charming even with his shaven head (Manchurian style) in "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon". ;D Allow me to refine that. If a guy is handsome, he looks good with hair or without (well, except for some lumpy-heads). I just think that samurai hairstyle with the top shaved off looks kinda--silly. I don't know where this fighting about how the Japanese characters look "too attractive" originated--after all, aren't they all played by Korean actors? Don't they have to be attractive by default, LOL? Bo
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Post by florel on Aug 22, 2005 12:36:01 GMT -5
To me, Todo Takatora in the drama looks handsome even though he is shaven. ;D And he has good voice above all. Well, Chow Yun Fat was also charming even with his shaven head (Manchurian style) in "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon". ;D Allow me to refine that. If a guy is handsome, he looks good with hair or without (well, except for some lumpy-heads). I just think that samurai hairstyle with the top shaved off looks kinda--silly. I don't know where this fighting about how the Japanese characters look "too attractive" originated--after all, aren't they all played by Korean actors? Don't they have to be attractive by default, LOL? Bo Oh, that was a silly joke of mine. I guess recent postings become too serious and you tried to lighten the atmosphere. I also guess some Korean guys who found the Japanese in the drama gorgeous are not referring to their characters but to their armors. BTW Chun-Su is not at all attractive by default even though he is a Korean. ;D
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Post by TheBo on Aug 23, 2005 14:55:05 GMT -5
...BTW Chun-Su is not at all attractive by default even though he is a Korean. Okay, he must be unattractive to a fault. Ahem. Bo
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