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Post by kathleen34 on Mar 10, 2005 17:57:02 GMT -5
I'm a girl - I'm a grandma - I'm a church secretary. .. ... and l love both the historical and contemporary Korean dramas. Not that I love blood and guts and eyes falling out... but war - as much as we pray that war ends forever - it simply a fact of earthly life. Good :)and evil will always be a fact of life. I am particularly impressed by the historical war scenes... nothing is left to the imagination and it's not gratuitous violence. It's WAR. and trying fight as morally as possible.... that's an ongoing concept As I view YSS and so enjoyed DJG ... I am reminded that whether it's the 16th century or the 21st, whether we are using bows and arrows or laser/cyber technology ... the needs and drives of mankind remain the same.
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generaldu
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Post by generaldu on Mar 10, 2005 18:09:57 GMT -5
Very good point. But I think this gender dichotomy between violence and romance goes beyond the film industry. From having a psychology background, I remember learning that young children are conditioned to learn to take on specific gender roles/tasks. For example, parents wouldn't allow little girls to play rough "boy" games and toys. Or similarly, parents wouldn't allow boys to play with dolls. So we all learn later on in life what would generally constitue a male and female role. Even today, if we see a man who collects barbie dolls or a woman who plays football or hockey as something out of the "norm". The question is how much do each of us take on or accept preconcieved expectations of our society because of our gender. For example, I know a girl who hates anything and everything to do with sports. In fact, she hates both watching and participating in sports. When I asked her why, she said, "Well, it's because I'm a girl." When it comes to movies, I'm more like Generaldu, Alexa and Bo. The content and quality of the drama matters not whether if it 's considerd a chick flick or guy flick. But having said this, as a guy I would never wear make-up or a dress. lol Also our modern society with its increasingly unisex behavior patterns (both genders working in offices, etc.) has caused some to lapse into stereotypical gender behaviors out of insecurity. This explains increasingly loutish and simpleminded behavior in some young men and emptyheaded girlie-girlie behavior in some young women. We have to provide a cultural context which allows those of either gender to discover and be comfortable with their positive individual qualities rather than pushing them to ape the patterns of grotesque stereotypes.
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Post by florel on Mar 10, 2005 18:26:33 GMT -5
I'm happy to see that there are already three females who like historical dramas. I don't think the historical dramas could be identified with a violent genre. For example, the famous Jang Hui-Bin story is nothing to do with war epic. (This is the most popular theme of Korean historical dramas and it has been dramatized five times.) I haven't seen yet DJG, but I think I will like it. (What I hate is an empty soap opera for romance itself.) I like IYSS because it treats the story of whom the traditional Korean historical political dramas have never concerned over : numerous (middle and low rank) military officials and soldiers of Chosun navy. I also like very much historical movies without violence such as The Lion of Winter and The Return of Martin Guerre.
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Post by moreshige on Mar 10, 2005 21:12:49 GMT -5
I'm happy to see that there are already three females who like historical dramas. I don't think the historical dramas could be identified with a violent genre. For example, the famous Jang Hui-Bin story is nothing to do with war epic. (This is the most popular theme of Korean historical dramas and it has been dramatized five times.) I haven't seen yet DJG, but I think I will like it. (What I hate is an empty soap opera for romance itself.) I also like very much historical movies without violence such as The Lion of Winter and The Return of Martin Guerre. You do make a good point. I based my assumptions on only a few recent korean historical dramas. If I'm correct, I also remember "Cho kwang jo" was also a non-violent historical drama among others. Maybe I should have categorized between mainly non-romantic dramas which includes most historical dramas if not all vs. romantic soapy modern dramas. If some of you remember the series, "moreshige", is a political historical drama with the story set in the 1980's.
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Post by moreshige on Mar 10, 2005 21:55:03 GMT -5
I'm happy to see that there are already three females who like historical dramas. There are 8, only 3 of whom likes or watches only historical dramas.
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Post by toranaga on Mar 10, 2005 22:40:00 GMT -5
I only watch modern dramas for the most part,because I am interested in more than just the drama's for more than entertainment,I enjoy watching the rapid changes in korean society and how korean's young and old are adapting to the changes.IN my opinion it seems that the writers in these dramas are trying to coax a compromise between the old ways and the new ways without either side feeling that there feelings and thought's are being ignored by the other,I guess in effect they are trying to tell the older generation that change doesn't mean the downfall of society and the complete loss of traditional values,while showing the young that even though times are changing there is still something to be learned from the past and the old ways are not all bad. BUT this is just my opinion poor though it is,Icould be wrong about the intention of the writers but I don't think I am,there are two things that are dealt with in this drama that are significant that are very subtle that as far as i know haven't been touched on a lot in kbs dramas before,and they are family related and for the most part are problems with most asian cultures not just korean,would anybody care to guess what they are.
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Post by moreshige on Mar 10, 2005 23:12:19 GMT -5
BUT this is just my opinion poor though it is,Icould be wrong about the intention of the writers but I don't think I am,there are two things that are dealt with in this drama that are significant that are very subtle that as far as i know haven't been touched on a lot in kbs dramas before,and they are family related and for the most part are problems with most asian cultures not just korean,would anybody care to guess what they are. Which particular drama are you referring to?
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Post by donilpark on Mar 10, 2005 23:23:45 GMT -5
I like both modern and historical, but I wouldn't want to miss any historical dramas. I genrally love the clothings, buildings, and the way people behave, their manners that one can see in a historical dramas. I wish that historical dramas would talk more about normal people (like modern dramas, but only the setting is back in time) rather than story of kings and queens. I mean, I want a drama that has nothing to do with history. I would like to see where just the setting is old times. In that sense, a drama like Damo was excelent, because we know that Chae-ok and Yun did not exist, and the whole event in the drama is a fiction.
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Post by Soju on Mar 10, 2005 23:28:44 GMT -5
I would say I'm a guy who likes modern dramas about families, but also likes historical dramas if they've got lots of Palace intrigue going on. Warriors fighting? Should have asked me twenty-five years ago. How about a historical drama like "Sang-do"? No warriors; it was about merchants. But it was still a Historical Drama
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Post by moreshige on Mar 10, 2005 23:31:24 GMT -5
I like both modern and historical, but I wouldn't want to miss any historical dramas. I genrally love the clothings, buildings, and the way people behave, their manners that one can see in a historical dramas. I wish that historical dramas would talk more about normal people (like modern dramas, but only the setting is back in time) rather than story of kings and queens. I mean, I want a drama that has nothing to do with history. I would like to see where just the setting is old times. In that sense, a drama like Damo was excelent, because we know that Chae-ok and Yun did not exist, and the whole event in the drama is a fiction. Yeah, florel mentioned this too. You see a little insight into the common soldiers and people in IYSS. But yeah, there should be more historical dramas that doesn't necessarily focus on historical figures.
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Post by toranaga on Mar 10, 2005 23:46:00 GMT -5
I AM REFERING TO MPC
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Post by moreshige on Mar 11, 2005 0:10:32 GMT -5
Okay here is the tally so far. Feel free if you think I'm in error. I based this on people's responses.
gal prefers modern drama: guy prefers modern drama: Toronaga gal likes both but prefers modern: guy likes both but prefers modern: Soju* gal likes both, no preference: Bo, Kathleen34 guy likes both, no preference: moreshige, generaldu gal likes both but prefers historical: Alexa guy likes both but prefers historical: Seven Stars, donilpark gal prefers historical drama: florel, Chigirl68, Eowyn* guy prefers historical drama: Skinz
* Eowyn --watches only historical but don't mind the romance in them.
*Soju -- prefers modern but also likes historical without the warfare.
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Post by moreshige on Mar 11, 2005 0:44:53 GMT -5
Oh, I have to say it's cool to see other LOTR fans namely Eowyn and Alexa. I'm Aragorn in my other online identity.
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Post by ID on Mar 11, 2005 7:37:53 GMT -5
Cann't vote, since I decided to give up my username. {i'll still might come in once or twice a week} I just got engaged. Not only that, but now I want to try to get into Columbia University, in hopes of a better degree.
Anyway, I wouldn't mind being put down as "Only Historical Dramas, but hates the love stories."
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Post by chigirl68 on Mar 11, 2005 8:26:17 GMT -5
Oh, I have to say it's cool to see other LOTR fans namely Eowyn and Alexa. I'm Aragorn in my other online identity. You have another one here. I am actually a big JRRT fan. I had to read the hobbit freshman year in English calss and I got hooked and my brother (10 yrs older) had LOTR and let me read his. I just need the collectors edition of the return of the king to complete the trilogy on DVD. But that will have to wait for my tax return. Sticking with the LOTR theme...This is pretty cool. It's a newspaper ad for the Chicago Wolves Hockey team Wolves ad
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