generaldu
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Post by generaldu on Mar 9, 2005 11:21:40 GMT -5
To add, for those of us who are watching "God of the Sea" (Hae-shin) the time is during the Unified Silla period. That is why you see a lot of references to the Tang because the characters are in China going back and forth to Silla. So they are people of Silla. It's also interesting to note that while all the dynastic struggles were going on the korean peninsular proper, there was another korean kingdom to the far north called Parhae. During Unified Silla period not all of Koguryu was subjugated. Most of the northern territory you see on the previous map went to the heir apparent kingdom (Parhae). Parhae was a union of Koguryo elite leaders and their subjects and non-korean peoples. So in a nutshell: 6th cen. Koguryo, Silla, Paekche, Gaya 8th cen. korean peninsula unified under Silla, Parhae (northern territories of former Koguryo) mid 9th cen. Koryo Dynasty (You can see this as a neo-koguryo dynasty) As for Japan's relationship with Korea, its more interesting to look at the history before or around the 5th century. Particularly, Paekche's relationship is very special. We can also get into even before 4th century and get into interesting theories that exists among historians about the cultural relationship between "korea" and "japan". Thanks for the reference to "God of the Sea". My wife and I were uncertain of the time period because we're watching it without subtitles. Is this drama purely fictional or is there a historical or biographical thread in it?
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generaldu
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Post by generaldu on Mar 9, 2005 12:21:20 GMT -5
You know Moreshige, there's a rumor that Hitler's mother was actually Jewish ;D The principle value of such rumors is to remind us of the disturbing persistence of anti-Semitism. In this twisted world view, Jews are depicted as responsible for most evils of the world; including even the numerous historical instances of their own mass murder at the hands of Christian zealots, Nazis, etc.
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Post by moreshige unlogged on Mar 9, 2005 16:17:30 GMT -5
Thanks for the reference to "God of the Sea". My wife and I were uncertain of the time period because we're watching it without subtitles. Is this drama purely fictional or is there a historical or biographical thread in it? I don't know if this was historical or not since the story centers around merchants and pirates who as a class wasn't considered that high. But I can tell you that the kingdom of Parhae will figure into the story. I just won't tell you how.
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Post by moreshige on Mar 9, 2005 16:19:08 GMT -5
The principle value of such rumors is to remind us of the disturbing persistence of anti-Semitism. In this twisted world view, Jews are depicted as responsible for most evils of the world; including even the numerous historical instances of their own mass murder at the hands of Christian zealots, Nazis, etc. I agree with you, generaldu even though I was just kidding around in my previous post.
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Post by moreshige on Mar 9, 2005 16:39:31 GMT -5
I don't know if this was historical or not since the story centers around merchants and pirates who as a class wasn't considered that high. But I can tell you that the kingdom of Parhae will figure into the story. I just won't tell you how. Since this is a korean drama board I'll put it this way. 7th cen. to 9th cen. Unified Silla period: "God of the Sea" (early to mid 9th) late 9th cen to 14th cen. Koryo dynasty: "Emerpor Whang Gun" (events leading up to and after Koryo dynasty was formed) 10th cen. "Dawn of the Empire" (This show presumably takes off after EWG) 11th cen. or 12th. "AOW" (I'm not sure about this because I didn't really watch this series) Can someone help out here? 14th cen to 19th cen. Choson (Yi) Dynasty: "IYSS" (late 16th cen.) 1990's to present Presidents:noh tae woo, kim young sam,kim dae jung, roh moo-hyun: "Winter Love Song" ;D
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generaldu
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Post by generaldu on Mar 9, 2005 18:28:28 GMT -5
I don't know if this was historical or not since the story centers around merchants and pirates who as a class wasn't considered that high. But I can tell you that the kingdom of Parhae will figure into the story. I just won't tell you how. Thanks for the information. I had guessed they were depicting pirates or brigands here because some of the warriors cover their faces before they attack. My wife is a big Kim Gap Soo fan so she's taping this series even though there are no subtitles on the Ch 17 showing in NYC.
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Post by Eowyn on Mar 10, 2005 8:10:59 GMT -5
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Post by Eowyn on Mar 10, 2005 8:19:02 GMT -5
11th cen. or 12th. "AOW" (I'm not sure about this because I didn't really watch this series) Can someone help out here? You're correct, moreshige: AOW starts with the 1170 Rebellion and ends in 1219 with Choe Chunghon's death.
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Post by Eowyn on Mar 10, 2005 8:25:08 GMT -5
My wife is a big Kim Gap Soo fan so she's taping this series even though there are no subtitles on the Ch 17 showing in NYC. The great Kim Gap-soo! (sorry off topic) for your wife, generaldu - www.kapsoo.com/(taken from some gracious person's previous post - cannot remember)
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Post by seven stars on Mar 10, 2005 9:14:54 GMT -5
I have come to thoroughly enjoy the conversations we have on this website. Everyone has great things to contribute. Having said that, this thread illustrates exactly what this site has largely been missing up until recently. Great stuff guys! ;D
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Post by TheBo on Mar 10, 2005 10:07:51 GMT -5
Having said that, this thread illustrates exactly what this site has largely been missing up until recently. Elucidate, 7S! I'm trying to think ways to make the YSS board to be more lively. What is it you think was missing? What is different about this thread? Moreshige! Thank you for your wonderful humor. I love your Korean Drama History Book! Er, Scroll! Bo
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Post by moreshige on Mar 10, 2005 11:41:50 GMT -5
Elucidate, 7S! I'm trying to think ways to make the YSS board to be more lively. What is it you think was missing? What is different about this thread? Moreshige! Thank you for your wonderful humor. I love your Korean Drama History Book! Er, Scroll! Bo Lol, Hey Bo, you know the historical dates for Dae jang geum and Damo? Aren't they also historical drama?
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Post by moreshige on Mar 10, 2005 11:45:15 GMT -5
You're correct, moreshige: AOW starts with the 1170 Rebellion and ends in 1219 with Choe Chunghon's death. ok so AOW is late 12th to early 13th century which is still Koryo dynasty
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Post by moreshige on Mar 10, 2005 11:58:37 GMT -5
Hey, wouldn't it be cool and funny to have a historical drama center around common folk/citizens just like modern dramas do? Or has that been done before? Just imagine a love triangle between this poor farmer of Unified Silla period and a woman servant ....ok it sounds corny. I think the writers are trying to mix the typical modern korean love story into IYSS without much sucess. Perhaps, it's because everyone knows the love story itself is pure fiction and YSS is not. Or are the writers trying to reach a larger audience? Just take a look at this board. We are divided mostly between modern drama fans and historical drama fans. I'm just a one of a few who likes both.
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Post by florel on Mar 10, 2005 12:46:57 GMT -5
I think the writers are trying to mix the typical modern korean love story into IYSS without much sucess. Perhaps, it's because everyone knows the love story itself is pure fiction and YSS is not. Or are the writers trying to reach a larger audience? Apparently, the dramatists of IYSS are intending to make a modernized historical drama (a "fusion" genre) as like Hae-Shin or DJS. But they are not reaching the quality of Hae-Shin and DJS. And they fail to see what public wants about the story of YSS, because Koreans want to view the Admiral's life as it was in history. Also I have an impression that the IYSS dramatists want to make an image of suffering tragedic hero. But it doesn't work, because most Koreans want to see a powerful glorious hero. Sometimes, I think the IYSS is unjustly criticized among Koreans who are considering it to despise the national hero and to honorify Won Kyun because the drama adopted a poor quality novel as original base. I think a little bit differently from my compatriots. (But the recent Turtle Ship Scandal was worse than the original novel. ) When I view the IYSS, I come to evoke Louis IX of France, a saintly martyred hero of France. Even though Saint Louis and YSS (in the drama, of course) are very different persons (a defeated crusader vs a victorious defender of his country), I think they have a common aspect as suffering hero. Just take a look at this board. We are divided mostly between modern drama fans and historical drama fans. I'm just a one of a few who likes both. I'm a typical historical drama fan.
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