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Post by kathleen34 on Feb 1, 2005 11:52:20 GMT -5
They all need a session with Dr. Phil
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Post by Lovely on Feb 1, 2005 13:26:58 GMT -5
LOL ;D!! Sang-hyuk's mom was the worst . She went to Yu-jin and begged her to reconsider her relationship with Sang-hyuk that time when he was hospitalized. Joon-sang/Min-hyung's mom wanted her son to have new memories in planted for his own good, but it didn't work out because he lost the memories of Yu-jin . Yu-jin's mom is okay, but she made me mad when she yelled at her daughter for going with JS/MH instead of SH.
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Post by kathleen34 on Feb 1, 2005 13:41:48 GMT -5
yes... and didn't she name him well, SangYUKKKKK ... right away you know there's a problem.
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Post by BAE on Feb 1, 2005 18:54:43 GMT -5
the only mother i have a problem with besides young-sil from MPC, is Jung-ae from MPC!
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Post by hachi on Feb 1, 2005 22:07:46 GMT -5
I dislike all of 'em! On another note, if anyone's seen the infomercial for that Min Ceur face cream, the woman who played Ji-eun's mother on Phoenix is on it! (I think it's her at least.) It's in the version with all the foreigners extolling in their own languages how cool it is (and the American woman sounds super-fake, but, hey, she can feel her skin changing, even after only one day!).
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Post by FlowerLady on Feb 2, 2005 22:39:53 GMT -5
LOL ;D!! Sang-hyuk's mom was the worst . She went to Yu-jin and begged her to reconsider her relationship with Sang-hyuk that time when he was hospitalized. Joon-sang/Min-hyung's mom wanted her son to have new memories in planted for his own good, but it didn't work out because he lost the memories of Yu-jin . Yu-jin's mom is okay, but she made me mad when she yelled at her daughter for going with JS/MH instead of SH. I know, isn't it the truth? Talk about controlling, guilt-inducing, manipulative, self-serving mothers.......oh, brother!! It's as though none of them actually care about their own children's true happiness.
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Post by alanna on Feb 3, 2005 10:18:28 GMT -5
Joon-sang's mother is a pure psycho. It's understandable for her wanting to hide her failure in love nearly 30 years ago but to erase her son's memory like that?! She got out too easy and that is very very unrealistic even for Korean standard that stresses filial piety. The proper reaction for Joon-sang would've been him abandoning his mother for at least a month out of shock.
As for Sang-hyuk's and Yu-jin's mother..... I'm not sure. Sometimes it's just Korean mother's tendency to forcibly spoon-fed their children toward what they "think" is the best.
...and you know what? In reality, you realize that they're absolutley right sometimes, even in matters of heart. After all, events like meeting your lost love you thought were dead doesn't happen everyday. (unless war or something).
Ever wonder how Yujin could simply abandon 10-year or relationships and near-engagement party the moment she laid eyes on a guy who looked like her lost love?
As mentioned before, Sang-hyuk's mother pursued Yu-jin only after her son tried to starve himself to death. Any mothers would be desperate enough to save her son and in a way, she was just acting according to the situation.
And how was Yu-jin's mother to know her daughter was dead-serious with a guy she has hardly heard of? After knowing Sang-hyuk since he was a little boy and have long taken granted as her son-in-law it must have been hard for her to see her daughter acting so bizarre all of a sudden.
One of the virtues of WLS is the sense of commitment. Although Sanghyuk and Yujin didn't marry they have long regarded themselves as a couple and promised to be with each other. Their two families too shared that same commitment making it more harder to get out.
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Post by MisterBill50 on Feb 3, 2005 11:56:07 GMT -5
I know, isn't it the truth? Talk about controlling, guilt-inducing, manipulative, self-serving mothers.......oh, brother!! It's as though none of them actually care about their own children's true happiness. They really do need to consider their children's feelings, and what's truly best for them. Their children are the ones who must live with the consequences, and they should be entitled to do what's best for them; not what's best for their parents. Hopefully, Yujin and Joonsang will find happiness that can't be taken away from them by anyone
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Post by Lucy on Feb 3, 2005 12:00:20 GMT -5
Alanna, You make some really good points. I guess we are seeing things so much from Yu-jin's point of view and want so badly for her and Joon-sang to get together at last that we are angry at the obstacles their families are putting up for her and the demands they make of her. It does seem, from our perspective here in the US (where we often don't have as much sense of family responsibilities outweighing personal desires), that her family is not being sympathetic enough to her needs.
But you're right--they don't know how deeply she has continued to feel for Joon-sang even after all these years, and that her heart was never romantically attached to Sang-hyuk. As has been brought up here before, that is mostly Yu-jin's fault for going along with everything passively and not being honest about her feelings for Sang-hyuk. I think I did bring up before that I could see why her friends and family were upset--because, by having such desire for Min-hyung, she is letting down everyone's expectations: expectations that she never hinted that she didn't share or embrace fully until Min-hyung came on the scene.
You're right about that. I always thought that was bizarre and a very rude thing to do.
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Post by cannedcats3 on Feb 3, 2005 17:34:03 GMT -5
Quote: ???Ever wonder how Yujin could simply abandon 10-year or relationships and near-engagement party the moment she laid eyes on a guy who looked like her lost love? Well, yes. Kinda been there, kinda done that. When the young pass away, the loss seems so much greater - all that potential - all that future. Add to that - They had an affinity which was not common....which made the acceptance of his hand in help and the shoe incident quite normal - at least to me. She was so penny-brite....when he died, she was forever marked in her heart. Then here she was @ 28 years old and merely ho-hum about life - even in her upcoming marriage - just coasting. Yeah...I can see how she would run just on instict - without even thinking - to do what she did.
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Post by kathleen34 on Feb 4, 2005 0:25:57 GMT -5
thanks cannedcats3 ... kinda been there and done that too. Love ... go figure - Logic and common sense aren't the strong factors at work with that particular emotion.
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Post by TheBo on Feb 4, 2005 11:26:00 GMT -5
cannedcats! That's so poetic! Anyway, I understand her doing this. He made a deep impression on her, and her love never got to bloom. Like she said in her speech to Joon-sang/MH, you just wish you could see that person one more time to tell them how you love them, but you can't so you just have to live with that terrible thing. (Yeah, I'm paraphrasing.)
Bo
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Post by cannedcats3 on Feb 4, 2005 15:18:02 GMT -5
I'm glad this thread was started. There is so much more to this story than just Joonsang/Yujin. I look at "These WLS Mothers" and see that each is trying to do the best she can in preserving cultural family values and yet be successful in the modern world. It can't be easy for them...even more so now that they are seeing what their past choices have produced. What to hold on to, what to toss away and what to embrace as new in order to grow - I guess it's always that way.
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Post by kathleen34 on Feb 4, 2005 15:39:36 GMT -5
you're right cannedcats3 ... I didn't mean to be flippant with the opening Dr. Phil comment... I know I've personally gone thru 'what mother knows best' and have paid dearly for it. My goal in raising my children was to have more compassion for my kids than always putting my own agenda on the table and worrying about 'what people will think'
I too respect the cultural integrity toward Korean family life... but all the young people are really so VERY nice ... even SanhgYUK ... the fathers seem to be so much more logical and realistic. WLS moms present a double-edge sword of emotion.
... back to the drawing board.
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Post by cannedcats3 on Feb 4, 2005 16:09:55 GMT -5
;D At first I thought they all needed "counseling" too.(or at the least smacked around a little)(I've been burned by The Phoenix!) But when I watched my re-runs I always had second thoughts. I don't really think anybody is truly a "bad guy" in this series - not even Sanghyuk. You can see that the young people are also trying to get the balance of culture and the modern. Sanghyuk has been desperate because he expected things to just fall into place. And the desperate heart does such crazy things!! I feel for him because he just doesn't "get it" yet. (I think Junga "got it" and Jinsook is "getting it") There was that real poignant moment when M/J held Yujin's shoulders from behind and said "One step follows another; right foot then left foot". He "got it". Being raised in the States no doubt left its mark on him; he has tried to guide Yujin - not force her. I hope this turns out o.k. - I nearly stopped the Korean soaps after Damo!!!
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