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Post by ID on Nov 13, 2004 20:52:13 GMT -5
I'm so annoyed. The first four episodes of the show, alone, was the greatest thing I have ever seen {Other than AOW, of course} There was action every second. Good action, with a sea of blood. And that is one of the main reason I like shows like this. I like the politics as well {in AOW} But now that they are showing his childhood, I feel like I am going to die of boredom. I'm sorry, this si pointless and stupid. Even the subtitles feel wrong. I'm sorry Mrs. Kim, but using words like "Cap'n" and "Bookworm" make it too cutesy. Now enough with that. Who is Won Kyun again? I have a blank space in my memory. Wasn't he the guy with the pointy nose? Anyway, I can't wait till this is done, and the action starts again.
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Post by ID on Nov 13, 2004 20:59:53 GMT -5
Wait, I take that back. the ending was good. But who/what is "Cho Kwang Jo"? Is Sonn Shin's father a satanist?
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Post by luvarchfiend on Nov 13, 2004 21:11:35 GMT -5
episode 5 was not action packed, i grant you that. but i still liked it. i like seeing how his childhood experiences help shape the man he becomes.
there were heartwarming moments.....like when he and won kyun found each other after being lost. and how he proved himself climbing the mountain.....he didn't give up.
i am beginning to understand his father better.
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Post by velvet inkbrush of YiSoonShin on Nov 13, 2004 21:22:23 GMT -5
sigh,
here I go
again, I must remind people that this is about one man's life. this means that there will be the exciting parts and that there also needs to be character development
the reason why the boring mundane details of Yi Soon Shin's life are being rendered in detail is because previously, he was seen almost as a god-like figure. portraying his youth and struggles is to create a more realistic down to earth portrayal of korea's greatest hero
thus do not expect action all the time. if you do you will be disappointed
There is a reason why christy kim used the words cap'n and bookworm. these are to try to let the viewer understand that the kids were using colloquiallisms of the time. for example. dae jang, translated by her as cap'n, literally means general. but since little boys at play are using it, she changed it to cap'n to let us know what sort of standing that won kyoon has with the boys.
won kyoon is the future antagonist of Yi Soon Shin and the source of much of his misery during his military career. the fictional friendship with him is set up to make him a more interesting character - multidimensional as opposed to the flat out villain that he was in history (think archfiend in age of warriors)
jo gwon jo was an official who honestly served the royal court but when a new king took power, he had jo gwon jo and all his followers wrongly accused of treason and put to death. people like Yi Jung, Soon Shin's father knew that he was a truly loyal servant and therefor were paying their respects to him and his dead followers. that was why he was arrested.
i must repeat this again, as an american viewer without the knowledge of korean history that most koreans have, it is not possible to enjoy this show if you do not keep an open mind and especially if you are using the immortal YSS to fill in the void that AOW has left
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Post by ID on Nov 13, 2004 21:32:23 GMT -5
thanks. i guess i am being too bratty here. i'll rewatch the episode, and see if i could enjoy it now. you know, i think that they need to explain what it is all about. {for example, in AOW, when they showed Chung Jung Bu going insane about him wanting to killing Kim Don Jong, in the early episodes, the narrator explained that years before, Kim Don Jong made a prank on Chung Jung Bu, who was an imperial convoy at the time, by setting his beard on fire, and then having his father, force the emperor to kick Chung out of the palace, because Chung reacted to the prank by beating the crap out of him.}for all I know, Cho Kwon Jo is a devil. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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Post by velvet inkbrush of YiSoonShin on Nov 13, 2004 21:38:39 GMT -5
there is a reason that they don't explain - it is because the explanations are written in korean, but for american viewers to read the subtitles AND the translation of the explanation would be too distracting (which is why i try to include the explanation in the summaries). but again, bear in mind that most koreans understand what is going on because they can read korean and they have the historical background already in their minds but if you have any questions i can answer, I am more than happy to help if you find this boring, wait to watch until episode 20 - things REALLY pick up in that one
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Post by Knov1 on Nov 13, 2004 21:41:22 GMT -5
Cho Kwang Jo was an official who honestly served the royal court but when a new king took power, he had jo gwon jo and all his followers wrongly accused of treason and put to death. people like Yi Jung, Soon Shin's father knew that he was a truly loyal servant and therefor were paying their respects to him and his dead followers. that was why he was arrested. Yeah, what VIB said. There was even a historical drama done about him.
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Post by velvet inkbrush of YiSoonShin on Nov 13, 2004 21:44:57 GMT -5
really?
what drama was that?is it still available?
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Post by Knov1 on Nov 13, 2004 21:51:26 GMT -5
really? what drama was that?is it still available? Yeah, it was called Cho Kwang Jo. It was done back in 96-97.
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Post by velvet inkbrush of YiSoonShin on Nov 13, 2004 21:54:55 GMT -5
ah cwap
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Post by ID on Nov 13, 2004 21:55:36 GMT -5
It is listed on JP Paulus' website. He saw it, so I think we should ask him about it.
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Post by JP Paulus on Nov 13, 2004 22:31:24 GMT -5
It is listed on JP Paulus' website. He saw it, so I think we should ask him about it. Well, thanks for asking! Cho Kwang Jo was a political innovator that was striving to make society better. This was coming in the aftermath of one of Chosun's worst kings, Yeon-san'gun. (Ironically, in the dramas, the same actor portrayed both characters in different dramas). Cho Kwang Jo was also in the midst of politics, which led to his demise (the usual story of those in power afraid about what change will bring, and unwilling to give up their pleasures). Interestingly, not only was there a series on him, but there have been several recent references to him, such as in Dae Jang Geum (part of which takes place during Cho Kwang Jo's time). Perhaps due to the modern values of valuing the people that Cho Kwang Jo is at least now being more recognized in a more positive light.
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Post by Eowyn on Nov 14, 2004 8:17:32 GMT -5
I enjoyed episode 5. It made me sort of want to be a kid again. I'd join their kid army too (if I was brave enough).
I also like how the end of ep. 4 was repeated, with YSS's remembering the charges of treason against him while all the time beating the drum, then his memory of himself as a young man, was that General Yi riding horses with him?, then the "open your eyes" scene and Yi is a child - the youngest child of the group (and they think he's dead!)
And he's so adorable. I wanted to hug him when he cried. Then I kept thinking how he (the adorable little boy)would one day save Korea - and, also, die by a bullet on that ship.
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Post by skinz on Nov 14, 2004 9:00:47 GMT -5
I,personally, don't like the childhood thing myself. But I'm gonna make it work for me. For example, I hate the adventures of little Yi Soon Shin and Co., but I like the story about his parents and the politics of the time. His mother reminds me of my aunt. So I guess you just gonna have to find something to like in those episodes.
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Post by Chung Kyun on Nov 14, 2004 14:33:54 GMT -5
i thought i wasn't going to like the parts with them being kids. but i did like watching them trying to make an army like the grown warriors. that wonk kyun is tough as a kid, even the chubby kid is scared of him. so in my opinion ep 5 was good. www.pennfamily.org/KSS-USA/750420-948.html
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