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Post by velvet inkbrush of YiSoonShin on Nov 2, 2004 23:40:03 GMT -5
he might already have died, but i am not sure as i do not know what year it is...
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Post by velvet inkbrush of YiSoonShin on Nov 3, 2004 0:07:04 GMT -5
the chinese character for the admiral's middle name "shin" means "retainer"
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Post by Tepyoung on Nov 4, 2004 16:02:53 GMT -5
Velvet Inkbrush, you initiated mention of the meaning of part of Yi Sun-shin's name, so permit me to elaborate with further comments on the entire name. The name is written in Chinese [or Sino-Korean] characters, so I trust that we can look at Chinese meanings as a guide, without giving offense. Yi is simply a common family name. Li (or Lee) in Mandarin. For the given name ( Sun-shin or Soon-shin), I shall copy info from Mathews' Chinese-English Dictionary --- Sun is Mathews' entry 5936 [pronounced Shun, falling tone, in Mandarin]: "Name of a legendary Chinese ruler, said to have ruled from 2255 - 2205 B.C. Wise; good." Shin is Mathews' entry 327 [pronounced ch'en, rising tone, in Mandarin]: "A statesman. A subject. Formerly used by civil officials for 'I'." So, what does Sun-shin mean? Wise statesman? Good subject? I don't know. Sometimes, it is not easy to guess what meaning the parents (or king or someone) had in mind, when they bestowed a particular Chinese/Korean given name. It would be nice if this series covers the period of Yi Sun-shin's life when he acquired that name. From whom? What meaning was intended? Why? Enquiring minds want to know . . . .
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Post by vib unlogged on Nov 4, 2004 17:24:43 GMT -5
it does in episode 5...it is not true though
his mother named him soon shin after she had a dream where she was visited by his grandfather who told her to name him soon shin because he would become a great man
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Post by Tepyoung on Nov 4, 2004 19:57:29 GMT -5
Thank you, Velvet Inkbrush, both for the reference to Episode 5 (which we in Honolulu will not see, until next week) and for letting us know the historically accurate story.
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Post by velvet inkbrush of YiSoonShin on Nov 4, 2004 20:20:57 GMT -5
mahalo tep. nice to see you back on the board
and i'm always happy to help out those who are interested in the admiral
this chinese character dictionary you have sounds wonderful
i usually use the kanji site on the internet
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Post by luvarchfiend on Nov 4, 2004 20:30:59 GMT -5
well i thank both of you for any information i can get on the admiral, and any other info that makes viewing these k-dramas more enjoyable.
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Post by velvet inkbrush of YiSoonShin on Nov 5, 2004 19:43:50 GMT -5
another interesting fact...
apparently yi soon shin could have been a spokesperson for PEPCID AC. he suffered from frequent stomach problems (ulcers from stress if you ask me. i know i'd have them)
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Post by velvet inkbrush of YiSoonShin on Nov 5, 2004 20:02:58 GMT -5
one thing that the show did portray accurately...
-the admiral DID in fact write in his journal right up until the night before his death. he died on Nov, 18 1598. His last entry was Nov 17, 1598
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Post by skinz on Nov 5, 2004 22:11:32 GMT -5
Guess he knew he wasn't gonna last long. At least he left a legacy that few can actually achieve.
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Post by velvet inkbrush of YiSoonShin on Nov 17, 2004 0:55:11 GMT -5
-fact: konishi yukinaga was a catholic
i find this one oddly amusing
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Post by ID on Nov 21, 2004 19:50:16 GMT -5
-fact: konishi yukinaga was a catholic i find this one oddly amusing many samurai leaders at that time had turned catholic. why? well they certainly didn't give a sh*t about the bible. the only reason that a select few samurai "became" catholic, is so that they can get their hands on muskets. the europeans wouldn't trade guns with them, unless they accepted the jesuits. the lords that were able able to get their hands on these guns, were the ones who came out as victors. for example, at the battle of Nagashino, in 1575, resulting in Oda Nobunaga's army wiping out the Takeda clan's army, before they were even close to the castle. this was possible, because Oda had over 3,000 arquebusiers {spelling?} defending his castle. In the end, after Tokugawa Ieyasu unified Japan, he eliminated the catholics, and had most guns destroyed. And you know what? Japan was in peace for 250 years. But that ended once the Americans {us} forced their way in. Anyways, the point of this story, is to show you how strong Konishi's faith probably was.
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Post by ID on Nov 21, 2004 19:58:15 GMT -5
Velvet Inkbrush, you initiated mention of the meaning of part of Yi Sun-shin's name, so permit me to elaborate with further comments on the entire name. The name is written in Chinese [or Sino-Korean] characters, so I trust that we can look at Chinese meanings as a guide, without giving offense. Yi is simply a common family name. Li (or Lee) in Mandarin. For the given name ( Sun-shin or Soon-shin), I shall copy info from Mathews' Chinese-English Dictionary --- Sun is Mathews' entry 5936 [pronounced Shun, falling tone, in Mandarin]: "Name of a legendary Chinese ruler, said to have ruled from 2255 - 2205 B.C. Wise; good." Shin is Mathews' entry 327 [pronounced ch'en, rising tone, in Mandarin]: "A statesman. A subject. Formerly used by civil officials for 'I'." So, what does Sun-shin mean? Wise statesman? Good subject? I don't know. Sometimes, it is not easy to guess what meaning the parents (or king or someone) had in mind, when they bestowed a particular Chinese/Korean given name. It would be nice if this series covers the period of Yi Sun-shin's life when he acquired that name. From whom? What meaning was intended? Why? Enquiring minds want to know . . . . From what I remember Yi Soon Shin's mother saying in the fifth episode, "Soon Shin" means that he will serve Emperor Shin-Jong well. I don't know if I am right. I guess i should re-watch it.
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Post by velvet inkbrush of YiSoonShin on Nov 22, 2004 7:21:45 GMT -5
shin means a retainer
soon is a referene to emperor shun of china who was a particularly benevolent ruler
so his name means retainer to the benevolent emperor
but the real reason he was named this was because his mother was visited by his grandfather in a dream while he was still in the womb and it was yi baek rok who told her to name him soon shin because he would be a great man in chosun's history
how prophetic
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Post by velvet inkbrush of YiSoonShin on Nov 22, 2004 7:23:02 GMT -5
and ID, thanks for clearing that up
I knew there was some other reason he was a "convert"...
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