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Post by galacticchick on Feb 1, 2005 10:56:08 GMT -5
Hesoo's in laws really got on my nerves yesterday. Something I really dislike in people is false modesty and forced recognition.
I mean I understand the way their culture works, for the most part, but I still didn't like this particular scene because I was a little disappointed. I love it when in these dramas, the elders are always so humble to one another, for the most part, they almost always seem sincere.
Jinkook had asked his father whether he would mind if he gave Hesoo a gold bar, his father said it was fine. So then if Hesoo had already thanked them for when she got it, why would they care who she gave it to? And I cannot believe that they would even think about asking for it back. I wonder, would they have actually called the mom? If they did, that means that they would have demanded Hesoo's mom thank them. And that's just not right.
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Post by jenny on Feb 1, 2005 13:09:21 GMT -5
Those two made me sick in that scene. And then ESM tells her hubby, "You're not mad about the money, it's because she doesn't treat you like her senior." Oh, please, it's because he's greedy! And these two are the only folks in Korea who DON'T deserve to be treated as someone's respected senior. IMO, Jin-kook is the only one who should have any say in the family's financial matters, since the two "elders" never did anything to contribute positively to the matter. ESM merely made the money to steal it later. This show is irritating me.
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Post by Lovely on Feb 1, 2005 13:15:37 GMT -5
What I never understood is how Jin-kook's dad and stepmom are so close again. JK's dad went from hating her back to loving her. And she has some shame to want to stay in their house after what she did to them. HS was the only one out of the whole family that showed her kindness when she was going through the whole Mr. Park-Young-goo-stolen money issue. And what is up with this gold bar? If Hee-soo wants to give it to her mom or keep it, it's none of ESM's business. ESM's lucky that they gave her back her jewels. If anything, ESM should be sucking up to JK and HS after what she did to the family.
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Post by galacticchick on Feb 1, 2005 13:19:11 GMT -5
Those two made me sick in that scene. And then ESM tells her hubby, "You're not mad about the money, it's because she doesn't treat you like her senior." Oh, please, it's because he's greedy! And these two are the only folks in Korea who DON'T deserve to be treated as someone's respected senior. IMO, Jin-kook is the only one who should have any say in the family's financial matters, since the two "elders" never did anything to contribute positively to the matter. ESM merely made the money to steal it later. This show is irritating me. I agree w/every single thing you've said. 1) Even though all he ever did was play golf, he still wants to be treated like a respected and highly regarded elder. 2) MIL committed crimes punishable by time in jail, not to mention she dishonored the Ahn family when she ran off w/all that money and her plan backfired which is why they are in this financial crisis in the first place. 3) This show is irritating me too. Part of the reason I liked WML so much was because the elders were so much more wiser. Grandpa didn't just expect to be respected just because of his age. He worked hard for those boys, and he earned the right to be respected. I remember all the times he reprimanded Tinted Glasses Grandma when she would act in a silly way, telling her to act like an elder. What are these writers on?
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Post by galacticchick on Feb 1, 2005 13:22:18 GMT -5
HS was the only one out of the whole family that showed her kindness when she was going through the whole Mr. Park-Young-goo-stolen money issue. And what is up with this gold bar? If Hee-soo wants to give it to her mom or keep it, it's none of ESM's business. ESM's lucky that they gave her back her jewels. If anything, ESM should be sucking up to JK and HS after what she did to the family. Exactly. How soon Father has forgotten who spent most of her days watching over him at the hospital. Who cared for their ill child when she ran off w/the money, when Father was unable to care for himself. Who was the one that traveled bringing Jinsoo to MIL at her secret hiding place. If anything, Hesoo's mom should call them and ask for them to thank her for the daughter-in-law they gained and is serving them.
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Post by jenny on Feb 1, 2005 13:32:40 GMT -5
What I never understood is how Jin-kook's dad and stepmom are so close again. JK's dad went from hating her back to loving her. And she has some shame to want to stay in their house after what she did to them. HS was the only one out of the whole family that showed her kindness when she was going through the whole Mr. Park-Young-goo-stolen money issue. And what is up with this gold bar? If Hee-soo wants to give it to her mom or keep it, it's none of ESM's business. ESM's lucky that they gave her back her jewels. If anything, ESM should be sucking up to JK and HS after what she did to the family. Exactly! She should be acting like a humble little slave, instead of placing herself in the role of MIL and head of household. Part of the reason I liked WML so much was because the elders were so much more wiser. Grandpa didn't just expect to be respected just because of his age. He worked hard for those boys, and he earned the right to be respected. I remember all the times he reprimanded Tinted Glasses Grandma when she would act in a silly way, telling her to act like an elder. What are these writers on? Good point about WML. The wisest character in MPC is Hee-soo's dad, and we never get to see him. This series is in desperate want of a role model. Bring on the next series!
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Post by hachiue on Feb 1, 2005 16:09:43 GMT -5
I assume that the writers are trying to bring up this exact issue - whether elders should be treated as such even if they have not acted as such. I don't think they're doing it very well, though, especially since people in the show don't seem to think anything of it. There should at least be some discussion, among the parents and among their children, about their fitness to be advising the next generation.
Or maybe this show is just pandering to the younger generation who thinks that the elders are silly like that.
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Post by BAE on Feb 1, 2005 18:08:28 GMT -5
Or maybe this show is just pandering to the younger generation who thinks that the elders are silly like that. well...i don't think this show is trying to exploit anything... i just think that maybe the writers are trying to show, compared to all the other shows like who's my love? where they had this enormous family, that elders deserve respect, but the younger generation has a say, an opinion about what should be done with their life. and like jae-min says, courteously to his father about the whole going impotent thing, please respect my decision. they don't have to agree with the choices we make in life, but they can try and understand. provide moral support if they can.
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Post by panther on Feb 1, 2005 18:10:46 GMT -5
what i dont understand about the whole ahn situation is how jin kook can pretend like his life wassent a living hell for the last 28 years due to esm and his father backing every word she said.
i mean im all for him trying to have a relationship with his pop but all that respect he's giving esm is just not....natural! what happend to snobby "i dont give a damn" jin-kook? i liked him.
plus all of this kow towing to esm is a real slap in the face to hee-soo i can imagine.
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Post by bettyboop on Feb 1, 2005 18:51:21 GMT -5
all the stuff everybody's been saying ITA! i've been wondering ever since ESM moved back in how they can all be so forgiving and pretend as if she never stole all their money and almost caused their family to declare bankruptcy~! it kinda makes me wanna knock them all in the head and say 'HELLO~! have you forgotten the past few months? you guys were almost broke because of the snake.. and now you're letting her back in?~!' its almost like throwing yourself INTO the fire when you've already been burned... oy... hehe
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Post by toranaga on Feb 1, 2005 21:33:33 GMT -5
I assume that the writers are trying to bring up this exact issue - whether elders should be treated as such even if they have not acted as such. I don't think they're doing it very well, though, especially since people in the show don't seem to think anything of it. There should at least be some discussion, among the parents and among their children, about their fitness to be advising the next generation. Or maybe this show is just pandering to the younger generation who thinks that the elders are silly like that. I agree with you hachiue,I think you are dead-on with your observation.
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Post by sandy on Feb 1, 2005 23:42:42 GMT -5
In every respect, I feel sorry for Hee Soo. She married into a horrible situation, putting up with a sullen, self-centered husband, caring for her ill FIL after her MIL took off with money, taking care of Jin-Soo even getting him to take art lessons with her uncle, then getting MIL to return home. Now Hee-Soo is pregnant, and no one seems to care. Her hubby obviously is being charmed by her ex-SIL Young-lan. If MIL returns to work, then Hee-Soo, who should have a job in communication and diplomacy, I think, will be stuck at home caring for everyone.
The very thought that Hee-Soo would give the gold bar to her mother shows that she is a very kind person.
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Post by Lucy on Feb 2, 2005 11:51:39 GMT -5
You guys are all saying what I'm thinking, so I won't go into it further. I also want to add what I know many agree with, which is that Jin-kook is a TERRIBLE HUSBAND. He doesn't care anything about Hee-soo. He doesn't even act like he HAS a wife. He's always telling her how he wants to be treated but doesn't consider that her feelings are valid at all.
All this is is a more polite version of when they first got to know each other, and he was warning her, "Don't expect anything of me, don't tell me what to do," etc. And she's pretty much lived by that until recently, always comforting him when he needs it, making a nice home for him, trying to keep everyone happy. As annoying as she can sometimes be, she's earned the right to better treatment, even if she did force her way into his life at the beginning. For pete's sake, she's carrying his child! A little respect, a little tenderness and appreciation, if you please. And less eye-rolling, barely-tolerating-her, alternately-teasing-and-ignoring-her behavior.
I think it was Jenny or GC who hit it on the head: his looks fool you, because he looks kind of tender and feminine, but he's really a stone-age, rather brutish (emotionally) male. What happened to Crying Jin-kook, who was so hurt remembering ESM's horrible behavior to him growing up? I liked him better, because you could at least understand that he was acting out of hurt and didn't know how to respond to kindness. He's had enough time to learn how to treat someone with love, IMO.
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Post by hachiue on Feb 2, 2005 13:34:17 GMT -5
I was especially shocked when she was telling him that she wanted to work and he said that running a business took management skills, and then he said that taking care of the household is a type of management. So, he was essentially saying that she wasn't skilled enough to run a business, but, anyway, she shouldn't care because she is running a type of business when she's being everyone's slave anyway. I don't believe that she didn't pick up on that and tell him that if she has management skills, she should work.
Oh and that barb that he shot at her about getting rejected by Young-lan again? I don't see why Young-lan keeps rejecting her anyway - all that's happening is that Hee-soo is starting to agree with her on the lot of women, so YL should be much more supportive than she is.
And, lastly, I hate how Jin-kook consistently runs away from her whenever she says anything he doesn't like. I just want to say to him, hello, JK, sweetie, you're not 12, and you have to deal with sensitive and undesirable circumstances; grow up and treat your wife like a human.
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Post by BAE on Feb 2, 2005 17:46:00 GMT -5
grow up and treat your wife like a human. that's just it. i don't think he really loves he. maybe cares for her and is thankful towards her for taking such good care of his half-brother, but not really, you know, in love with her. i don't know, maybe it's just my feelings.
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