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Post by humble on Jan 10, 2005 19:42:19 GMT -5
what is your take on hee-soo mom? I think sheis too controling and a little nutty. and selfish.
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Post by Lovely on Jan 11, 2005 11:12:43 GMT -5
I absolutely agree! I was really shocked when she told her husband that he had to do those 2 things for her in order to prove his love for her. Now that I see Young-lan more on the show, I don't think she's as bad as I had thought before. Hee-soo's mom always over-reacts and she's becoming such a pain in the rear end . She just wants everything to be her way and whoever doesn't agree is considered as "her enemy" .
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Post by jenny on Jan 11, 2005 13:01:33 GMT -5
She's really getting irritating! I thought it was so self-centered of her to go into Ji-hae's room and cry about her own problems, wishing she were in a coma. That's very comforting to her sister. I'm sure some of her tears were for JH, but you should leave your own problems at the hospital door. Such a drama queen.
I agree with Lovely that Wenchy is mellowing as we see her away from the Koh's.
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Post by panther on Jan 11, 2005 19:08:21 GMT -5
She's really getting irritating! I thought it was so self-centered of her to go into Ji-hae's room and cry about her own problems, wishing she were in a coma. That's very comforting to her sister. I'm sure some of her tears were for JH, but you should leave your own problems at the hospital door. Such a drama queen. I agree with Lovely that Wenchy is mellowing as we see her away from the Koh's. i thought it was so disrespectful that she went into jae hae's hospital room and cried about her own problems just like i though it was really insensitive for her and her husband to argue in min-sups house. she is so irritating. i dont see how her husband put up with her!
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Post by sandy on Jan 12, 2005 0:38:52 GMT -5
Hee-Soo's mother is such a controlling person. Her husband, Jung-Sik, has a lot more sense and diplomacy than her. He confronted Eun-Soo's Ex with intelligent questions as to what she wants, and as to what her plans are. He listens, but his wife doesn't. She walks into a difficult situation making known her own needs, but gets upset and frustrated when things don't go her way. Then she wonders why no one wants to involve her with their problems. Jung-Sik is a calm person who invites his son and ex-DIL to confide in him. Makes you wonder about controlling peope.
I really admire Jung-Sik because I think he represents the stable, unemotional member of our families. He sees things as they are, not what they should be, as in his wife's case. I don't know if his current job as a parking valet has been his career, or a job later in life, but he's out among people, very realistic about life.
Because of Eun-Soo's dad, the Ex doesn't seem to be that bad of a person. From her point of view, Eun-Soo has been tied to his mother's "apron-strings", so to speak.
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Post by toranaga on Jan 12, 2005 6:53:25 GMT -5
I think young-lan's comment earlier in the series when she first appeared were right on when she told his mother you " RUINED A GOOD MAN" is true even now he agonizes over whether he should do as jung-hee request, and go down to changwon or obey his overbearing mother and live with her so she can have two personal slaves.I think young-lan is correct in at least this fact,eun-soo will never be completely a man unless he is far away from her.HOW can you blame YL for being a little cranky with her M-I-L when she is blamed for ruining eun-soo's life by both of them,it is obvious she is responsible for the divorce. true she has bad interpersonal skills but she is intelligent and competent,while you could say eun-soo is intelligent, you could'nt say he is competent.
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Post by panther on Jan 12, 2005 13:45:14 GMT -5
didint eun-soo tell his mom that she was the reason why him and young lan got divorced? i think i heard him say that
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Post by jenny on Jan 12, 2005 17:50:23 GMT -5
Wow, we certainly learned a lot about Young-lan and her MIL's history. I can see why YL treats her that way now, I'd do the same. Hee-soo's mom is much worse that we even thought before.
HS's dad was a policeman his entire career (those are all his awards around the house, he was obviously good at what he did!) That cute little guy, I think he was Captain of his district or something but I would have guessed he was Officer Friendly!
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Post by Lucy on Jan 12, 2005 18:04:49 GMT -5
I just love the dad, even though he is very frustrating as a husband. I'm not saying he should have done what his wife asked him to (get YL out of town), but I understand the impulse that made her ask. I gotta say, I think the lady is not very intelligent, at least emotionally. She acts a lot out of a very primitive place and at the moment is just kind of howling in a blind rage. "I want money!" "I hate my daughter-in-law!" "Nobody loves me!" She has no idea of either what other people need (like her CHILDREN, ahem) and doesn't care to know.
But anyway, cute little Hee-soo Dad didn't even come close to attempting to get YL to go away, did he? He just sat down and had a talk with her, which was nice.
I wish he were my dad, too!
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Post by Soju on Jan 12, 2005 22:17:55 GMT -5
But if Jung-sik, were your Dad, then Jung-ae would be your Mom (shudder).
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Post by sandy on Jan 12, 2005 23:41:58 GMT -5
It's funny, but I could identify with Jung-sik as he walked down the street after confronting his ex- DIL. He had that worried look on his face as parents of adult children have as they worry about them. Jung-sik is a mediator, but his wife is very controlling. Ex, who from the beginning looked like a mean-spirited controlling woman, seems less of a trouble-maker than her MIL. Eun-Soo is torn between 3 women. I think he should listen more to his father.
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Post by amber Chicagos NWSide on Jan 13, 2005 12:12:44 GMT -5
I have a contrary opinion about HeeSoo's dad; I would not want him for my parent. He seems weak and ineffectual, and has contributed to the family's problems by never taking a strong stand. He comes across as a bit of a dunce, too. About diplomacy--it is usually the best way to handle conflicts, but sometimes it's nothing more than a placating tactic which solves nothing, all in the interest of maintaining a veneer of family peace or calm. In the conversation he had with his ex-DIL, he asked questions he already knew the answers to, etc., and did not tell her to get lost. Ex-DIL has NO right to live with her ex-inlaws or their family. She has an inheritance-get a hotel room! She initiated the divorce, ignored her son for months on end, and stated she didn't want to become too attached to him, "for his own good". What rubbish! Finally, HeeSoo's mom handles everything with bad judgment, even when she has a case. EunSoo should leave home and get a job, and HeeSoo/Jinkook need to be on their own as well.
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Post by Lucy on Jan 13, 2005 13:08:54 GMT -5
Well, I don't know about all this. I think he serves as a good example for his children because he is kind and gentle and tries to live according to his principles. I don't understand why he loves his wife or vice-versa, as they seem incompatible to me. He may be kind of ineffectual, but to my mind there's a lot of leeway allowable in this area. No one can be the perfect parent, but, to me, he is what is called a "good enough" parent in some psychological circles. He's done no real damage to the family by taking a wait-and-see attitude, and he's easy to love, which is very important. I don't think of him as weak. However, I can see why he's so frustrating as a husband; he's not a go-getter at all (at least since he retired), and so he can't take care of his wife financially in the way she seems to value so highly. Also, once in a while you want your man to stand up for you even if it isn't exactly rational. I'll give you the fact that he isn't really playing ball with the family; i.e., the things he does don't help their situation a lot, even though they may be right for him. In the end, though I admire his character. About the conversation with the DIL, he did say he learned some things that he didn't know before, namely, DIL's side of things and that his wife had been so mean to her.
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Post by sandy on Jan 13, 2005 23:57:40 GMT -5
I think Hee-Soo's mom still is a real pain. Jung-sik is retired, so maybe he just wants to be at peace. I see him as a person who loves his family, but wants them to solve their own problems because he's tired of trying to mend fences. They've taken care of Eun-Soo and his son for years, but now the EX returns deciding whether she wants to return to Eun-Soo and Ji-Woong, but she has ambitious plans where a family might interfere with her freedom. Hee-Soo has had a difficult marriage.
Jung-sik may be just wishing that he can start enjoying life. However, his wife keeps the conflicts going, involving him when he's just hoping that he can start having some relationship with his wife, minus kids, grand-kids and problems.
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Post by BAE on Jan 18, 2005 12:21:56 GMT -5
sorry to say this, but sometimes hee's mum acts like a total nutjob. i mean, she's always trying to control her son's life and suddenly, young-lan is the evil one. i think that the only reason she really likes jung-hee is because she can relate to her. jung-hee doesn't appear to be the brightest person and not to mention, she can't act, and hee's mom loves that she can talk to somebody and not feel stupid. that's what jee-hae's dad said and that's what everyone has come to conclusion of.
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