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Post by seven stars on Dec 1, 2004 11:54:52 GMT -5
The two most formidable female warriors that we've witnessed on AOW. Both were extremely loyal, and faithful to complete whatever task was given them. Olan tended to operate in more of a spy/assassin role, while Soran could more frequently be found on the battlefield (from a combat standpoint). Who would win? Which is greater? And please explain the criteria for your responses.  |
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Post by skinz on Dec 2, 2004 19:01:39 GMT -5
Without question, Olan. Olan was THE female warrior in AOW. Although both women were put in a position to fight for survival, Olan had to fight for herself, Muby Child, and Muby. Soran,on the other hand, hand a handful of skillful warriors to aid her in need and her fire for revenge became extinguished.
Also, Olan was put into more dangerous situations because of Muby and her devious schemes. Having to guard Muby Child 24/7, secretly converse with Yi Ui Bang about His and Muby secret plan, and keeping her insanity under all the pressure around her. To put it simply, Olan had more responsibilities than soran.
Soran experienced turmoil when her village was destroyed by KDS right hand man. She had gain some fire and some motivation to kill. But after the formation of Dobang, her flames of revenge fell. Dobang replaced her village in her heart and she was satisfied. She no longer had the need to fight anymore because she wasn't alone and in any danger anymore. Simply, the girl just got to comfortable where she was.
Olan= Always was on high alert and ready for action
Soran=became to relaxed and concentrated to much on Dobang and KDS.
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Post by ID on Dec 2, 2004 19:20:00 GMT -5
Soran=became to relaxed and concentrated to much on Dobang and KDS. AHEM. KDS was the one who slept with his Dobang soldiers at night. {and turned Soran down} |
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Post by skinz on Dec 2, 2004 20:24:57 GMT -5
AHEM. KDS was the one who slept with his Dobang soldiers at night. {and turned Soran down} HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! ;D My mistake. |
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Post by Eowyn on Dec 3, 2004 7:50:56 GMT -5
I remember being disappointed once when Soran discovered the man poisoning KDS's food and then when she proceeded to fight him, she couldn't get the upper hand and her brother Oh-chuk had to come and help.
I so wanted her to defeat that guy alone so as to shpw off her woman warriorness!
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Post by mace_windu on Dec 3, 2004 15:06:42 GMT -5
Gotta go with Olan. As skinz said she had a lot more responsibilities, which also included infiltrating enemy camps on her own. At the end of her life she was captured and tortured but did not confess, choosing instead to chomp on her own tongue and kill herself. That's hardcore!  |
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Post by seven stars on Dec 8, 2004 18:01:13 GMT -5
AHEM. KDS was the one who slept with his Dobang soldiers at night. {and turned Soran down} ID... Are you insinuating that the hypercolored silk robes are actually a veiled insinuation that Dobang was a homosexual fraternity, as well as KDS's private militia? |
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Post by seven stars on Dec 8, 2004 18:07:00 GMT -5
An interesting side question to this thread would be this:
Since the consensus so far is that Olan is the more "gangsta" of the two ladies, what would she have done had she been the one to have caught Lt. Kim's lackey poisoning KDS?
And, even better, what would she have done were she the sister of Ohchuck, when he was about to be killed by the imperial army?
Different outcomes perhaps?
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Post by generaldu on Dec 8, 2004 18:08:37 GMT -5
I'm afraid it's all a matter of an incorrect translation.
It's not DoBang it's Don'tBang!
But remember Huh Seung made a move on Soran so he is above suspicion.
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Post by seven stars on Dec 8, 2004 19:02:05 GMT -5
Are you insinuating that the hypercolored silk robes are actually a veiled insinuation that Dobang was a homosexual fraternity, as well as KDS's private militia? Oh no, did I use "insinuation" twice. Sorry, that must have been annoying. Nevertheless, Generaldu... Translation notwithstanding, I wonder if the writers for the show intended any symbolism. It's a shame that a high minded man of deep convictions always seems to fall pray to the jokes of the earthy and easily amused. Myself notwithstanding. ...Oh man, did I use that word twice?!   |
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Post by ID on Dec 8, 2004 19:09:25 GMT -5
ID... Are you insinuating that the hypercolored silk robes are actually a veiled insinuation that Dobang was a homosexual fraternity, as well as KDS's private militia? no. what made you think that? all I meant was the Kyung Dae Seung was a thirty year old man, who never slept with a woman in his life, who had hissy fits, wore super-duper fabolous silk capes, and slept with his male servants, under a single blanket.......... {note: I hope no one gets offended by my posts.this is all said in jest} |
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Post by generaldu on Dec 8, 2004 19:35:42 GMT -5
Oh no, did I use "insinuation" twice. Sorry, that must have been annoying. Nevertheless, Generaldu... Translation notwithstanding, I wonder if the writers for the show intended any symbolism. It's a shame that a high minded man of deep convictions always seems to fall pray to the jokes of the earthy and easily amused. Myself notwithstanding. ...Oh man, did I use that word twice?! I'm of the school that KDS was portrayed as a fatally flawed leader so I think the writers could have presented him in a better light if they chose to. "Neutering" him was probably intentional although even that point is controversial. Some may claim it's meant to demonstrate his righteousness and triumph over earthly motives as is encouraged by a number of religions and ethical movements. Others might state it symbolizes his ultimate "harmlessness" and ineffectuality. Remember, sexuality aside, Dobang became a corrupt organization which lived off extortion and theft. KDS had to turn a blind eye to the question of how his private army was provisioned. His personal righteousness turned into sanctimony and (ultimately) empty pride as he covered up the treachery of his subordinates even as others were discovering it. One great aspect of this show was its analysis of leadership styles and questions involving ethics. The arguments we have over these points are very constructive even if we come to no consensus or resolution. They are eternal questions and any given leader will always possess a mixture of good and bad qualities. We must be ready, especially in our democratic society, to weigh the balances in accordance with our personal values. |
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Post by seven stars on Dec 14, 2004 11:19:32 GMT -5
The consensus is that Olan was the superior warrior.
I agree with this assessment. One of the chief contributing factors to my opinion is the fact that I perceived Olan to be more frightening than Soran. To my perception, Soran was a warrior far more driven by her emotions than was Olan, who seemed more machine than person at times. (I say that with regard to the way she carried out her duties.) We certainly got to know Soran's humanness to far greater degree as viewers.
On top of that, we more than once saw Olan fight, and defeat several soldiers at once. I cannot recall seeing Soran do this, except as part of a group.
These were the strongest reasons for me to choose Olan over Soran.
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