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Post by seven stars on Aug 17, 2004 9:56:54 GMT -5
Okay, lets take one interesting pairing at a time...
CHUNG KYUN vs SHIN GUHM
Both have historical significance primarily because of their fathers.
Both tried to sieze more power than they could handle.
Kyun's relationship with his father was obviously better than that of the prince of Bekjae and his father King Kyun Hwon.
WHO DO YOU THINK IS GREATER, AND WHY?
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Post by ID on Aug 17, 2004 10:26:22 GMT -5
they both disgust me, but i think chung kyun is better. chugn kyun took action. chung kyun was a good warrior {well so was shin guhn, but chung kyun was pretty good at fighting. but i think that yi ui bang, yi ui min, cho won jong, and all the others who posed a threat to him could woop his sorry ass. you saw how he had to talk his way out of getting sliced in half by cho won-jong, when cho went to get revenge for yi ui bang. from then on, cho won jong decided to give up the life of a warriro, and instead become a metro-king}
maybe this is all because of my deep hate for hsin guhn. he was my least favorite character, out of any show that i ever saw.
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Post by seven stars on Aug 17, 2004 10:44:08 GMT -5
Dragon,
Your feelings are similar to mine, and this is why I chose these two for comparison (along with the parallels in their stories).
My only rebuttal would be that Shin Guhm was not merely the son of a General, but a prince, and therefore his training must have been extremely rigorous. Granted, he didn't seem to respond to this training very well, but that doesn't totally negate my point. By virtue of his position, he also led several armies in battle, achieving a few victories in the process.
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Post by Chung Kyun on Aug 17, 2004 17:43:51 GMT -5
they both disgust me, but i think chung kyun is better. chugn kyun took action. chung kyun was a good warrior {well so was shin guhn, but chung kyun was pretty good at fighting. but i think that yi ui bang, yi ui min, cho won jong, and all the others who posed a threat to him could woop his sorry ass. you saw how he had to talk his way out of getting sliced in half by cho won-jong, when cho went to get revenge for yi ui bang. from then on, cho won jong decided to give up the life of a warriro, and instead become a metro-king} maybe this is all because of my deep hate for hsin guhn. he was my least favorite character, out of any show that i ever saw. i don't think metro man could had taking out chung kyun. look how scared metro man was when he saw kds all the time. he became a punk and i didn't see him take any action when ui-bang died. he was going to help but somebody told him if he did he would be defying the emperor. then he just became a puppet for the chungs.
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Post by ID on Aug 17, 2004 18:23:30 GMT -5
i don't think metro man could had taking out chung kyun. look how scared metro man was when he saw kds all the time. he became a punk and i didn't see him take any action when ui-bang died. he was going to help but somebody told him if he did he would be defying the emperor. then he just became a puppet for the chungs. while he was a general {and was one of yi ui bang's right hand men, as well ad yi's closest ally while the archfiend was in yun-ju. though the archfiend of course never lost loyalty to yi ui bang, even after yi ui bang was dead. this is probably the main reason i loved the archfiend, other than his awesome martial arts abilities, and interesting backround.} he was a strong and honourable warrior. if you saw him while helping yi ui bang defeat the west capitol dudes, he killed quite a few men {though it was yi ui bang's bashing of the viceroy's chest that won the battle} when yi ui bang died, song yu-in, advisor yi, and chung kyun were discussing how they want to eliminate cho won jong, and just that moment, cho won jong came in, armed. song yu-in just closed his eyes, and monkey man got up to yell at cho with his "how dare you go up against the guy whos ass i am currently licking?" cho just kicked him to the ground. cho won jong was about to cut off chung kyun's head, when chung said soemthing about cho won jong beign a villain in history if he kills the chungs. and from that point on cho won jong became a pitiful excuse of a man, let alone a warrior. when the archfiend broke in the chugn table to avenge yi ui bang's death, he berated cho won jong, saying that he owes his life to yi ui bang, and a few other things. cho jut closed his eyes and pissed his pants.
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Post by seven stars on Aug 18, 2004 6:20:06 GMT -5
Having said all of that, General Cho was still the high general of the Koryo army throughout most of this series. He ascended to that point by earning his way up the ranks under Yi Ui-Bang. I don't like him, and I also feel that he became spineless, but he could have whupped Chung Kyun! I have no doubts about that.
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Post by seven stars on Aug 18, 2004 6:42:16 GMT -5
I'm not all against Chung Kyun, his resourcefulness and cunning are clearly very strong qualities. He showed skill in fighting at several points as well.
I simply feel that there is a fundamental difference between someone who rides his father's coat tails to the top, and another who earns his way through the military agency under the leadership of a fierce warrior.
I say this only because I don't want to seem biased against Chung Kyun (even though I clearly am).
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Post by Chung Kyun on Aug 18, 2004 8:20:28 GMT -5
if i have to say cho and chung would had been about the same. but im saying chung will beat cho because, when chung kyun was fighting kyung dae-seung they were about the same and when i see cho, he never dared even look at kyung dae-seung. i think chung kyun was fast enough to slice cho metro neck in half. but i think monkey man yi would had beaten all the koryo warrior's with out even trying.
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Post by seven stars on Aug 18, 2004 8:25:14 GMT -5
Chung Kyun, have you seen EWG, and (if you have) what do you think of Kyun vs Shin Guhm?
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Post by ID on Aug 18, 2004 10:33:34 GMT -5
don't forgot that cho won jong didn't go up on his own. he was made a lt. in the patrol guards by che won. in fact it was che won who pretty much set him for life. god, i miss che won. he was one of the best. i bet he could beat the sh*t out of chung kyun, cho won jong,and kyung dae seung at the same time! and don't forget it was yi ui abng who made him a general and looked after him
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Post by seven stars on Aug 18, 2004 13:28:40 GMT -5
Wasn't Cho already a Convoy when Che Won made him a Lieutenant? If not, sorry.
Chung Kyun must have been a strong fighter, if for no other reason than the family he belonged to. His father worked his way up from the peasantry to that high position in the military. A man who does that, doesn't usually raise a weakling son. Also Chung showed some extraordinary fighting skills early in his military duty.
Other than those few battles, however, we don't see any of his fighting experience. The exceptions would be when he set a cowardly trap for Ui-Bang (could you blame him for being scared though), and slapping some geishas (and princesses) around. He clearly fought KDS scared.
The cases for him, and against him are both strong.
Che Won makes the best faces!
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Post by Chung Kyun on Aug 18, 2004 17:14:19 GMT -5
don't forgot that cho won jong didn't go up on his own. he was made a lt. in the patrol guards by che won. in fact it was che won who pretty much set him for life. god, i miss che won. he was one of the best. i bet he could beat the sh*t out of chung kyun, cho won jong,and kyung dae seung at the same time! and don't forget it was yi ui abng who made him a general and looked after him no way che won is good, but he can't take three non ordinary warrior's, kyung dae-seung and chung kyun are to fast for him and cho is right for che won. ordaniry warriors he can beat for along time. but yes che won is stronger then chung kyun and takes alot of hits. but if it's a sword fight vs the three of them che won is done. like bruce lee said you can be the best fighter but with out abs your done. lol ( it doesn't go like that but close to it) che won for sure had no abs, one nice punch from kyung or one of them and he will bleed from his mouth and will be ot of air. but for now we can say who would win in a fi, but we will never no even if they seem stronger then the others. plus che won is dumb and would fall for there tricks, like he did when chung kyun joined him.
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Post by Chung Kyun on Aug 18, 2004 17:18:42 GMT -5
Chung Kyun, have you seen EWG, and (if you have) what do you think of Kyun vs Shin Guhm? nope but there was a histrical drama that didn't have subtitles, if thats the one. then i did see it but there was hardly any action, so i stoped watching.
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Post by ID on Aug 18, 2004 19:30:16 GMT -5
nope but there was a histrical drama that didn't have subtitles, if thats the one. then i did see it but there was hardly any action, so i stoped watching. cant be EWG. EWG was constant action. perhaps higher on the scale than aow. {though i think aow did a better job with the extras. comeon, they barely showed the extas fight at all in EWG, it was focused on the generals. EWG is one of the greatest shows i have ever seen {but i think i enjoyed AOW more} one thing that was really good about EWG, was that it was based on somewhat certain history. most of the facts on the show are based on the "chronicles of he three kingdoms" which was written by kim pu-shik, during emperor in-jong's reign. {kim pu-shik, was kim don-jong's father if you wanted to know} EWG was a 200 episode epic, and for soem reason, the actors who played again in AOW, did better in EWG. Suh In Suk's performance as King Kwon Hyun of Beckjae was perhaps the greatest acting i have seen in my entire life. {i think it could be compared with Al Pacino as TOny Montana, or Al Pacino as Michael Corleone, or with Al Pacino as "Lefty" Ruggiero in Donnie Brasco. sorry, but i'm a real fan of pacino} Also, they guy who did Duduel was amazing in EWG> he played the genius Vice Prime Minister Choi Sooen-Wal of Beckjae {who, unlike in AOW, was a likeable character, who was also a genius} and there were many others too.
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Post by seven stars on Aug 19, 2004 9:11:37 GMT -5
What about Choe Su Jong as Taejo Wang Geon. He was great as the emperor. As far as Suh In Suk goes, I thought he was good as Ui-bang, it's just that Kyun Hwon is a superior character to portray. He wielded a ridiculous amount of authority, based in large part on his strength of character, and as a warrior/leader.
I agree that the fighting did improve in AOW which is why I say that it is a more fun series. I definitely got more out of EWG because it was a look at a time period when honor and loyalty were rewarded, as opposed to the AOW where it seems treachery was rewarded above all else.
Choi Seung Woo was also an awesome character, and due to the fact that he was Kyun Hwon's advisor, the Bekjae story line was at least as gripping as that of Koryo's. This was due in large part to the fact that those two were on the screen together so much of the time.
Didn't see Donnie Brasco, but there is no comparison between Pacino as Michael Corleone, and Pacino as Antonio Montana. Scarface was good, but how can you put it on the same plane with the Godfather. Thats among the greatest performances of all time!
...Along with Suh In Suk as King Kyun Hwon of course.
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