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Post by MasterCrabby on Jul 31, 2004 18:18:28 GMT -5
I have found it odd that I, a generally peaceful person, can accept the violence that is essentially part and parcel of much of human history, as it is presented in AOW. I wonder, however, what it says about us that images of violent death and torture can be seen as acceptable presentations while images of the human body, bikini clad or otherwise, which are not intended as degradations form the line we draw on visual expression.
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Post by ID on Jul 31, 2004 18:31:58 GMT -5
i don't see it either. what was so wrong about seeing beautiful women? like in the general baords, on my "sexiest women on korean tv", knov1 gave us a very nice picture of the sexy jeon ji-hyun. it wasn't even a bikini pic. it only showed her stomach, but it seemed to cause commotion. {which, now that i think of it, probably came from my reaction to the hot pic} if that picture causes such a commotion, but the pics of the archfiend and brue being stabbed , and laying in their own blood, doesn't offend anyone, then there is something terribly wrong here. the only people i could see being offended by extremely mildl pics of women, is those overly-feminine women.
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Post by MasterCrabby on Jul 31, 2004 19:36:32 GMT -5
Well, I should mention that my mother was in ihe WACs during WWII, and she told me that often, the more muscular women were often not the ones who were same-sex oriented, if that was what you meant. Like VIB, I am an art person. I make money doing graphical things. I also do art because I enjoy people, and I perceive that people have reactions to my graphics that enhance their experience. It is obvious that art, like music, can reach people on a level which cuts out intellectual constraints, to a point. This is why tens of millions of dollars are spent on such areas, largely without respect to the merit of the works. The sublime quality of the human form should not be the cause of its own banishment from the public, Incidentally, JP Paulus is great anyway.
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Post by Chung Kyun on Jul 31, 2004 19:37:10 GMT -5
i agree with mastercrabby and imperial dragon. what master crabby said is true. aow is showing blood how people kill each other, and now brothers turning against each other for power and have you seen how they show the choped off heads. i like the show and find nothing wrong with it, however i see it could offend some people more then a pic of a non nude woman who was only showing her stomach. i admit i was mad about this and don't think it's fair that we get to show pics of people killing each other, blood all over and we can't show a woman or man ( this for the women who were posting male pics.) showing a little bit of her body part. i understand if the person was nude then it might offend people, but i see nothing wrong with the pics that were shown in imperial dragon topic.
i also want to say, imperial dragon topic was most sexiest korean woman on tv or something like that. by that title we all know, that there will be pics of women that might show some skin. because people will post why they think the woman is the sexiest in there opinion, so by showing there pics its proof why she is the sexiest and others might agree, they don't have to be nude to show people why they are sexy.
so by me saying this, its not fair to post bloody pics of people killing each other and not leting people have fun and chat about something else that has nothing to do with the dramas they see. this is made to have fun and not offend anyone, and if the person gets offended when he or she enters the thread, they should click back and not enter it again, instead of taking the fun and freedom of the people posting it.
now if alot of people start posting, saying its offensive then we might have a case, but mostly everyone here agrees that its not offensive. but like i said don't enter the thread again if its offensive to you and don't take away there fun. if it was me and i found the aow pics offensive for having blood or people at war with each other, i wont be back on hat thread. instead of taking away there fun and freedom of posting that, i will just not enter the topic again.
this seems like we are going back to the old days, when killing were normal and woman and man showing stomach or leg was wrong. now we have freedom and a choice to not see what we don't like instead of making other people not do what they want because we don't like it.
i only see dictators making other people not watch or do what they like.
so in my part i don't see anything offensive on this message board, nothing illegal here.
well then...
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Post by luvarchfiend unlogged on Jul 31, 2004 19:45:53 GMT -5
unlogged so as to be just a regular member speaking, not in any other capacity.
i completely agree with everything that has been said here, and since it has been said so well, i really have only one thing to add, that is that as a female i found nothing offensive about those pictures, comments, or any others that i have seen on this board. we have a great membership that respects each other.
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Post by ID on Jul 31, 2004 19:57:03 GMT -5
Well, I should mention that my mother was in ihe WACs during WWII, and she told me that often, the more muscular women were often not the ones who were same-sex oriented, if that was what you meant. Like VIB, I am an art person. I make money doing graphical things. I also do art because I enjoy people, and I perceive that people have reactions to my graphics that enhance their experience. It is obvious that art, like music, can reach people on a level which cuts out intellectual constraints, to a point. This is why tens of millions of dollars are spent on such areas, largely without respect to the merit of the works. The sublime quality of the human form should not be the cause of its own banishment from the public, Incidentally, JP Paulus is great anyway. i fully agree with ou. JP Paulus is great. oh, and i didn't mean anything about lesbians at all. i meant women who don't like men cheerng at a women's body, err whatever. all i know is that it was unfair to close my thread.it was all good fun. i mean it was the "sexiest women on korean tv" so i think that there should be some pictures to go along. and that especially hot pic of jeon ji-hyun made me go a little far. but i don't see why it caused such a problem. and chung kyun., i competely agree with you as well. but, i don't believe that JP Paulus was trying to stop our fun and freedom, just because hethought it was wrong. i believe that he was just trying to prevent people from being offended. still, i don't think it was fair that the topic was closed. i think that more people were offended by that, then by the pics.
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Post by velvet inkbrush of YiSoonShin on Jul 31, 2004 19:58:26 GMT -5
did JP close the thread? i thought knov1 made the announcement...
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Post by MasterCrabby on Jul 31, 2004 20:09:36 GMT -5
This hardly seems the time, but when Yi Ui-Min was in hot water, he said, with a few green cups in him, "Don't help me, Edith", to which a sleepy Aran responded, "I'm sorry Archie". In this spirit, I beg the old Deign-to-See.
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Post by velvet inkbrush of YiSoonShin on Jul 31, 2004 20:12:50 GMT -5
does anyone know what the exact policies are on this sort of thing for this message board?
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Post by Chung Kyun on Jul 31, 2004 20:13:58 GMT -5
did JP close the thread? i thought knov1 made the announcement... i guess knov 1 did it , for it not to cause problems with jp and between the people here. but i think there was no need to close the thread.
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Post by Chung Kyun on Jul 31, 2004 20:17:16 GMT -5
does anyone know what the exact policies are on this sort of thing for this message board? well all i know is that no nude pics . no disrespect your fellow members. no racist stuff. nothing that is illegal, that just what mostly ever website has as rules. i don't see we have broken any of those rules.
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Post by velvet inkbrush of YiSoonShin on Jul 31, 2004 20:19:21 GMT -5
well, to throw my two cents in...
i think that whether we are talking about violence, provocative pictures whatever, we still have to be respectful of others feelings.
when i started the photo-caption thread, i contemplated using some archfiend pics when he was getting hurt, but i hesitated as i found his death to be very violent and (in my opinion) gratuitously so (what i mean is that there was no need for human beings to kill him so slowly and cruelly)
i know there are a lot of archfiend fans on this show and that they took his death pretty hard and if i was in their shoes, i don't know how i would have felt seeing pics like that up with humorous captions underneath them, but i could see how that would upset some people, so i refrained until i saw that others were using them first.
point is - i didn't want to step on other people's toes whether i agreed with them or not and that's simply out of a mutual respect for the other members of the board.
i really do think that JP was simply trying to make sure that things idn't get too out of hand that people would get REALLY offended and shut the board down which is something that people have to do when they are in positions of responsibility whether others like it or not.
so far, i don't think anyone has been severely offeneded by anything on this board and we are all civilized human beings (like JP) who politely remind us when we might be encroaching on other's lines and i think that is out of the respect that everyone is due who is part of this board
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Post by MasterCrabby on Jul 31, 2004 20:27:02 GMT -5
Well, I have heard that the policy has been along the lines to consider an AOW Tangents of Tangents Board, but that was from my secret contact at WMBC Newton, NJ. She says that if you play the church commercial backwards, that the voices might sound like "AOW will now be translated by Crispy Slim, and there'll be no Delta, no fun of any kind". I personally doubt this is true, although I have volunteered to caption the show. Station manager Chung Jung-Boogie told my source that it wouldn't matter that I know no Korean, as long as it was family-friendly in substance.
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Post by velvet inkbrush of YiSoonShin on Jul 31, 2004 20:28:32 GMT -5
such rapier keen wit do you write for the simpsons? (compliment)
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Post by MasterCrabby on Jul 31, 2004 20:42:12 GMT -5
VIB, you're my buddy. Anyway, Here are some sample of my captions to come in EP 179: CCH: Remember, the cause of the original order must be maintained in its progress CCH's mom: Oh, this time I'm coming Elizabeth CCH: Take the Empress to her play area Attendant: (bows) There will be a happy meal, should she find a prize in the bag. CCH: Goodaye, a shrimp on the Bar-Bae. Well then.
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