DJG Gets Insulted!!!

[TheBo]

Thanks, Gman. I agree. Also, "Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me." Not strictly true, of course, LOL.

It sounds like those Chinese guys quoted by the paper just have sour grapes because DJG is so fantastic. Nobody will listen to such nonsense. (Just like that Japanese director guy who keeps insulting Yon-sama in Japan because he's so popular there--pure jealousy.)

Bo

[Gman]

Sorry if I came on too strong. Maybe its because I work for a newspaper that I really, really respect the First Ammendment to the Constitution.

Later, Gman

[donilpark]

went even further to say that DJG misled its viewers to believe that acupuncture originated from Korea. (we all know that it was clearly stated in DJG that acupuncture was brought into Korea by the Ming Dynasty)

Where was that? I don't think they ever said acupuncture was brought from Ming.
In fact, they never mentioned anything about the origins of acupuncture, as far as I remember.
But it still is true that acupuncture originates in Korea.
It's just that the Chinese has usurped the identity of Dongyi (ÔÔì¨), when it's the name the Chinese themselves used to refer to Koreans.
The thing about Hongshan culture and Northeast Asian project all run in the same vein.
But don't get me started on all this...

[july2005fan]

that's weird...cause when i went to china over the summer, everybody loved DJG and LYA

[archergurl]

july2005fan said:

that's weird...cause when i went to china over the summer, everybody loved DJG and LYA

well many people in china love the series, but of course, there are those one or two people that want to..ermm..."rebel" and dislike it. all i got to say to that is everyone has their own opinion and we must respect that. but writing their harmful opinions in a newspaper? ...well i think that's a bit too much...

*scowls* i must not get angry...what you read above was the sensible part of me. the non-sensible part of me i super mad right now...ARGH!

[donilpark]

In the end, it comes down to the quality.
Boycotting a product out of nationalism usually doesn't work in the long run.
If it's good, it will be sold.
So the only way to beat Daejanggeum is to make something better, not criticizing it and downplaying it.

[Evange]

Acupuncture originated from Korea? How could it be? Anyway, here's a "short" article abt the origins of acupuncture....(extracted frm www.damo-qigong.net/history.htm)
Let's review the history of acupuncture and moxibustion. In the Stone Age, the Chinese sages, after long time of resolute pursuit of Tao, obtained the insight on the diagram of "jing and luo."(channels and collaterals). They also began to know how to use small sharpened stones in blood pricking therapy. This small stone, for therapeutic purposes, is called "Bianshi"(Bian Stone). Bone needle, another kind of ancient puncturing appliance, was ground from animal bones. It could be used to sew and in acupuncture procedures.
Moxibustion can be defined as a therapeutic procedure based on the procedure makes use of a moxa cone which will be ignited to place cutaneously on certain point and on specific illness-related body parts. The cone made of Artemisia Vulgaris is called moxa cone. Moxibustion therapy can be direct or indirect.
Shi Jing, the book of Songs by Confucians, records the activities of collecting Artemisia Vulgaris. The book Meng Zhi also suggests the application of three-year-old Artemisia Vulgaris, meaning Artemisia Vulgaris that has preserved for a long time, in moxibustion therapies. Old Artemisia Vulga can be hand-crumbled into moxa to make moxa cones for moxibustion therapies. Cauterizing method is the application of ignited moxa cones to the skin.
Applying heat or fire indirectly on specific skin areas is called "Ironing Therapy". Applying ignited twigs or herbs to heat and to smoke specific skin areas is called "Smoking Therapy". The Chinese words "Jiu(moxibustion)," "ironing"and "smoking", are all derived from fire structurally.
Cupping is another heat therapy using the physical property of fire. In ancient time, animal horns were used as cups to attach on the skin. It was referred to as the "horn method". Bamboo vessels, China and earthen jars, and glass cups, are later used to replace "horns" in moxibustions.
"Bian Stone" is recorded in some ancient literary works as a special kind of stones for medical treatments. Bianshi puncture is the application of sharpened stones in medical procedures. Bian stone was used for drainage effusion and depletions.
The ancient book Canon of Mountains and Rivers indicates that "there is a kind of jade in Gao Shi mountain which could be ground into needles---the needle-shaped "Bian Stones". In remote antiquity, needles were mainly made from animal bones, which they were named after. In addition, there were needles made from bamboo. The Chinese character "bian" with a bamboo radical refers to a bamboo-made needle. Metallic needle was nonexistent before the Bronze Age. So the Chinese character "needle" with a "metal" lateral means metallic needles.
Canon of Internal Medicine, the oldest medical classic, records the comprehensive clinical application of Bian stone, acupuncture techniques, moxibustion, herbal therapies, massage and Qigong. The book suggests that Bian stone came from East China, moxibustion from North China and "needles" from South China.
In 1968, in Mancheng county, Hebei Province, many precious historical relics were found in an excavated ancient tomb Liu Sheng of the Han Dynasty. There were nine needles and five decaying silver ones. Their configurations bear close resemblance to the "nine needles" described in Canon of Internal Medicine. The nine needles were small medical applications with different lengths and diameters. Among them the blunt needle, a round tipped needle, was used for point pressing and massaging purposes. The sword shaped needle configuration is used as a surgical scalpel. The arrow-shaped needle is used for superficial skin puncture and functions similarly as the present "seven-star needle." The sharp-edged needles is similar to the present three-edged needle. Among the nine needles, the filiform needle was the most commonly. It still plays a major role in clinical practice today.
Modern filiform needles are more finely made in great varieties. Among the nine needles, the largest in diameter, is the "large needle". The "long needle" has been evolved into the current arista needle ("Mang Zhen"). The needles for clinical procedures today are evolved from the nine needles.

[angrybaby]

Here's a chinese link of the Zhang Guo Li's criticisms

ent.sina.com.cn/v/m/2005-09-30/1444855767.html

don't worry about him, he reveals himself quite a biggot in his interview.

Firstly he declared how poor the production was and how bad the story line is. He complains how some reporters just followed blindly the trend of writing about how good DJG is despite not watching the whole thing. But then later he says he only watched one episode ....

And within that one episode he watched, as mentioned above, I don't know what he was watching but DJG never claimed acupuncture originated from Korea. Perhaps it never said explicitly where it came from but then why should it ? Its not a historical chinese series - as far as I'm concerned acupuncture, herbal medicine, food were very much part of ancient Korea

He implores the media not to be biased towards Koreans (foreigners in general) and support more home made stuff. He's type of thinking is what has plagued the our nation for centuries. You would have thought we'd have learnt painfully with the 'great wall' mentality (block everyone out and keep ourselves in). China's not going to get any better just by telling itself how good it is but only by learning the strengths of others.

[Evange]

Yup, very true. But i think he really should apologise to the crew and producers of DJG. I mean, they put in so much effort for DJG and here comes one %#!@? guy insulting DJG...if i were the Director, script writer, or anyone who worked on DJG, i'll feel really sad and hurt if i read that abusive article. But then again, the thought of DJG having such devoted and caring fans will surely cheer them up, no?

[m2yu]

This is a good topic...
As it shows everyones caring about DJG...
Everyone was like supporting it (jus like it came from everyone's origin country.. althoug its not)
Hehehe....
Tq for starting this topic Evange!! ;D ;D ;D

[donilpark]

Acupuncture originated from Korea? How could it be?

We know that Korea lost lots and lots of things to China.
Including land, people and no other than history.
Because Korea lost Manchuria and eastern part of today's China, lot of things were lost with them.
Think about how the Chinese claim that Tibetans are Chinese.
Anyway, the identity of Dongyi is certainly an interesting topic.
Chinese want to say that they are all of 51 minority groups + all the ethnic groups that appeared in history all at the same time, but you know...
Even Huangdi in üÜð¨Ò®Ìè is originally a Dongyi.

[Evange]

m2yu, no need to thank me! I'm really glad that DJG has such devoted and lovely fans...really hope that the producers and crew can come and take a look at this forum...you guys know of any way to let them know of this forum?

[donilpark]

I don't think that's possible...
But don't worry, I'm sure they already know that their work is being appreciated and that stands like that of Zhang Guo Li is just a minority.

[Obsidian*Gryphon]

Think about how the Chinese claim that Tibetans are Chinese.

Oh cripes ... mention Tibetans & you'll get mah blood up ... I don't like the doings of the Chinese regards this ...

in fact there's alot ... erm .... I think I'd rather not say ...

[m2yu]

Hehe..... ;D
Hopefully, they really have seen this board...