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Post by ajk on Feb 11, 2018 23:28:05 GMT -5
God of War will wrap up in five weeks, and after a breather we'll start right in on another historical. Looking at the current DramaFever lineup, and eliminating the flaky stuff, it looks like these are our options (in alphabetical order):
Dong Yi
Jumong
Kim Su Ro
King Geunchogo
Kingdom of the Wind
Yi San
Yi San was done here in the forum a while ago so I'd rather hold off on it for a while longer, but that's not a deal-breaker at all. I remember mugwump said Kim Su Ro wasn't all that great, and I've read mixed comments here about Jumong. Honestly I had been leaning towards King Geunchogo but it certainly doesn't need to be the next one, especially if any of the others are better.
I'm just sorry that most of you guys have seen all of these series before. It would be nice to have a fresh one that we could all watch for the first time together...but until the networks start doing new historicals again or until they release their archives from the insane quarantine they're holding them under, this is what we have to work with.
Anyway, I'd be open to any of these so if anybody has any preferences or suggestions, please speak up and share your thoughts.
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Post by jewel on Feb 12, 2018 0:15:22 GMT -5
I'm willing to try any of these except Kim Soo Ro. I've already watched Dong Yi and Yi San but don't mind doing either again. Sorry I bailed on God of War - when What's-Her-Name reincarnated to that soldier girl I couldn't take it any more.
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Post by sageuk on Feb 12, 2018 0:47:52 GMT -5
Jejoongwon is heavily fictionalized version of history but at the very least knows what it wants to be. Its one of the few fusions I actually think is legitimately good.
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Post by mugwump on Feb 12, 2018 17:27:03 GMT -5
I've seen all of these before. I wouldn't mind watching any of them again, except Kim SuRo. That one just got too ridiculous.
Which is not to say that the others don't have their share of sageuk cliches. But their overall stories are well-written with good production values, and good acting. I can't really comment on how historically accurate each of them is. I care more about being entertained with good story telling.
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Post by mugwump on Feb 13, 2018 11:44:10 GMT -5
Jejoongwon is heavily fictionalized version of history but at the very least knows what it wants to be. Its one of the few fusions I actually think is legitimately good. Is this available on DramaFever? I have been wanting to watch this one. |
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Post by sageuk on Feb 13, 2018 11:52:29 GMT -5
Yeah
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Post by truth on Feb 19, 2018 1:11:58 GMT -5
All of the dramas listed here are all heavily fictional, especially the ancient era historicals.
King Geunchogo is the only ancient era historical with perfectly accurate costumes/armors and like one historically accurate battle, but that's about it. It does have your favorite actress in it though.
Other ancient ones like Jumong, Kim Suro, and Kingdom of the Wind are complete nightmares on all aspects.
The Joseon dynasty historicals from the list Dong Yi and Yi San are both fusion historicals as they are from MBC and have the same old "rags to rich" cliche. They probably have more history than the ancient ones since there are more historical records from Joseon dynasty compared to the ancient era.
As a history buff, I personally wouldn't recommend any from the list to be honest.
To sum it up, none of them on the list are what I would consider solid historical dramas(ex. Jeong Dojeon, Jingbirok, or at least God of War standard), but two Joseon dynasty era Dong Yi and Yi San probably have most history on the list. I didn't watch either since they were fusion and have the same cliche that director Lee Byeonghun puts in all his dramas.
To rate the ancient era historicals, I would give...
King Geunchogo - 2/5 (For at least having the most accurate costumes and armors I have ever seen in an ancient historical. And it has your typical traditional historical feeling to it, despite most of the story being fiction)
Jumong - 0/5 (Have no idea why this had such good ratings back in the day. Has no history in it whatsoever other than the fact that Jumong founded Goguryeo)
Kim Suro - 0/5(Also have no history other than the fact that Kim Suro founded Gaya)
Kingdom of the Wind - 0/5 (The name of the drama comes from a RPG computer game and so do the characters. I will say no more)
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Post by MTR on Feb 21, 2018 17:04:06 GMT -5
We did Yi San before with Bo, pretty sure, could be wrong .
God knows why?, but i may watch Dong Yi. (i can watch DF on a different browser ).
I do like Kingdom Of The Winds,its almost like a Korean Game Of Thrones, it has a decent cast, lots of tragedy and pathos, great soundtrack. Funnily enough i did not care for Jumong. For a fusion fantasy its really good, no peeps flying through the air, no gladiator school. It has lots of double crossing and backstabbing .
Of course its the usual rag's to riches story.
Geunchogo i liked, probably the best one on this list.
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Post by ajk on Feb 25, 2018 0:54:45 GMT -5
Thanks for all of the good observations! What a great group.
Let's hold off considering Yi San or Dong Yi for now. If that rumor about a historical possibly coming next year is true then maybe it will be the Jeong Yak Yong series that was planned and then suspended. It would be better to not do a later-years Joseon historical now if another one is coming. We can do them in the future.
Jejoongwon, same deal, later-years Joseon, but we can certainly consider that one in the future too.
It sounds like generally King Geunchogo is preferred among the other four so why don't we do that one. If it's generally regarded as the best of them then that's the one we should do, no matter if it is or isn't my preference. But it is so everybody's happy, yay....
Okay so after GOW ends then I'll just need a little time to wrap that board up and then do the annual update of the drama timeline, and then we'll start right into Geunchogo. Gotta keep up that weekly fix of a historical episode.
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Post by truth on Feb 25, 2018 1:23:39 GMT -5
Let's hold off considering Yi San or Dong Yi for now. If that rumor about a historical possibly coming next year is true then maybe it will be the Jeong Yak Yong series that was planned and then suspended. It would be better to not do a later-years Joseon historical now if another one is coming. We can do them in the future. Traditional historical returning next year is only a rumor at this point. It might not happen at all. Even if it does return, it might not be Jeong Yak Yong. Yi San, I understand, just in case the traditional historical returns next year and it does turn out to be Jeong Yak Yong, but Dong Yi takes place in a time period 3 generations before Jeong Yak Yong and Jeongjo. Jejoongwon, same deal, later-years Joseon, but we can certainly consider that one in the future too. Jejoongwon takes place about 100 years after Jeong Yak Yong's time period. It's an interesting time period, but the downside of this drama is that main characters are all fictional. A good traditional historical with real people for this time period would be KBS Empress Myeongseong. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empress_Myeongseong_(TV_series)It has your favorite actress playing the main character in the later episodes lol. It sounds like generally King Geunchogo is preferred among the other four so why don't we do that one. If it's generally regarded as the best of them then that's the one we should do, no matter if it is or isn't my preference. But it is so everybody's happy, yay.... I regard it as the best of the ancient historicals listed here, not the entire list, and even then it's still terrible. I only like the accurate costume and armor, nothing else. The historical distortion in this drama is pretty embarrassing. I would not recommend this drama at all. I personally wouldn't recommend any from the list, but if you really have to choose one from the list, I'd choose Dong Yi despite it being a fusion and you know I do not like fusion dramas. I left out Yi San just in case Jeong Yak Yong gets revived next year like you said. How about Age of Warriors? It's the time period right before God of War and is a very solid traditional historical despite having fantasy armors. It's the opposite from King Geunchogo, which has accurate costumes/armors but fantasy history. |
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Post by ajk on Feb 25, 2018 2:10:09 GMT -5
You're right, those Joseon dramas aren't exactly from the same time as Jeongjo. I just meant more broadly a later Joseon drama versus an ancient one where much of it would be fictionalized like you said.
Age of Warriors would be absolutely fantastic and I would LOVE to do it but unfortunately DramaFever doesn't have it. Same with Emperor Wang Guhn. If I could find a proper online source for either of them with English subs, you bet we'd do it here in a heartbeat. Unfortunately DramaFever has only the ones I listed plus some sillier ones and time-travel dramas.
That's what's been so disappointing about that Kocowa site so far. The networks run it themselves but they haven't added any of their historicals from more than a few years ago. Why are they holding back? It's not like they're running any new historicals that would lose viewers from online stuff. It's so stupid, they're just sitting on free money.
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Post by truth on Feb 25, 2018 14:05:47 GMT -5
I'd be very embarrassed to have a non-Korean watch King Geunchogo. Please, God no!
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Post by sageuk on Feb 25, 2018 14:38:14 GMT -5
King Geunchogo sucks.
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Post by ajk on Feb 26, 2018 22:34:58 GMT -5
Well we've watched a few clunkers here before so it wouldn't be the first one. Frankly there just aren't a lot of options available. Here's a link to the DramaFever listing of their available historical dramas, filtered for Korean language:
www.dramafever.com/browse/genre/historical/popular?lang=ko
Everybody feel free to browse it and if you see something I didn't mention that you think is a better option, please speak up, I'm all ears.
Like I said, for now I'd prefer to wait on the later-years Joseon stuff until we see about that rumor of a new historical possibly coming. But if we start Geunchogo and people don't like it then we can stop and switch at some point. It just seems like the best option for now considering what's available.
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Post by truth on Feb 27, 2018 3:24:11 GMT -5
War of the Flowers is a traditional historical although I don't think it's up to KBS standard.
Dong Yi does not take place in the same period as Jeong Yak Yong, so you're safe even if next historical is JYY.
Geunchogo's historical distortion is nowhere near a level of just your typical becoming a slave-later finds out you're a prince-kind of story. It's at a level of having a drama about ancient British colonizing Italy.
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