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Post by truth on Mar 13, 2016 3:09:16 GMT -5
Ohmgod I'm about to have a heart attack! I thought 15 was the last episode for some reason! When there was like 10 minutes left only, I was wondering how the heck it was all gonna wrap up that quick. Then I saw the next episode preview at the end... How did you guys see the final episode?? Or I should ask how many episodes are there and how come I only have 15?? Episode 16 is the last episode.
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Post by jewel on Mar 13, 2016 7:47:29 GMT -5
But how did you get to see it?? Dramafever has only up to 15. I went to Viki and they don't even have the drama. I'm dying to see the last episode! The reason I assumed it ended at 15 was cuz when I was at like 12 or so, I saw posted here that you guys watched the final episode and Dramafever had up to 15 only. Uuurrrgggghhhh!!!
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Post by jewel on Mar 13, 2016 7:59:32 GMT -5
Ohmgosh this is crazy! - I just went over to Dramafever and now they DO have episode 16!! But I swear they didn't have it last night!! Okay, gotta go watch... am so excited... hope it has a happy ending... I hope to God they save both of them... though it doesn't look like that's possible anymore...
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Post by jewel on Mar 13, 2016 11:12:35 GMT -5
Okay, finished the drama. First I want to say thank you to both of you guys for making the spoiler alerts so obvious - I don't think I would've read your comments beforehand anyway but the alerts made them easier for me to avoid.
I have to say that I liked the ending fine. I actually loved the drama from beginning to the end. Could the ending have been better? Yes! But then the whole drama, if tweaked here and there, could've been better. But overall I have not so thoroughly, from the very beginning to the very end, enjoyed a drama like this in like... forever! Not one single moment dragged for me, which is rare cuz even my favorites have some areas that drag. I also thought the acting was superb - not just the main characters but everyone. Not one single over-acting or under-acting. (Thanks guys for bringing this drama to my attention, otherwise I would've never even given it a thought.)
This is my take of the ending: I thought Detective Lee was in a coma for 15 years. There was that scene where they show his hand on the bed and it twitched. So I decided to believe he was in a coma for 15 years and that now he woke up. And because of this the bad guys left him alone for this long even though they knew where he was all along. Then when they hear that he woke up they rush to the hospital where he is. When Detective Lee stands up from the bed and turns around I felt like if I were a bad guy I'd start trembling with fear. Cuz the man was back!
I also loved the final words of Park Hae Young: "As long as you don't give up, there's hope." Corny I know but I loved it.
Now here are some problems I did have with the drama (aside from what I mentioned in earlier posts):
1) I still can't get over the fact that that guy killed the father for having rescued his own daughter from the bus. It's not like he was saving himself so he neglected the other guy's daughter. He was saving his daughter. If anything you'd think one father would empathize with another father and understand a father's love for a daughter, that like Park Hae Young said before the past changed, he (the father) would've done the same thing if he were in the other father's position. Of all the people to take revenge on!! Shouldn't he have turned his anger on Detective Lee for falsely arresting him and therefore putting him in that position?
2) The girl who got raped: I just couldn't get over the fact that she accused Park Sun Woo of starting the whole thing when she knew who the real instigator is. Wouldn't she have wanted the right person to get punished after what they did to her? And then the person she accused is the only person who was nice to her, who treated her like a human being, which she admitted herself later. And he also saved her life! That's so crazy. Any girl who went through what she went through would want the right persons to be punished. I really had a hard time believing any girl would do what she did. (Maybe showing some really serious reason why she absolutely had to do what she did? But threats from a drunken father whom she despises? Nah, that didn't work for me. Later when she said she just wanted everything to be over? That definitely was not a good enough reason!)
3) The scene when Kim Bum Joo is wiping the pencil knife he used to cut Park Sun Woo's wrist. Did you notice he wiped the handle AND the blade? And then he pressed Sun Woo's fingerprints on the handle and then laid it down? THE BLADE WAS WIPED CLEAN. How stupid is he? How stupid are the police? How can someone commit suicide and have the blade of the knife wiped clean of blood? That so annoyed me.
4) When Park Hae Young and Cha Soo Hyun are in the ambulance in episode 16 and he asked if anything in the past has changed for her. She says yes, that Detective Lee said to her things were going to be resolved soon and not what he said before, which was for her to wait till the weekend. I was so confused here cuz if the past changed 15 years ago she only had one past she lived. So she should only know that he said everything was gonna resolve soon. She shouldn't have remembered what he said the first time. I don't know, that really messed my head.
Truth: your comment about the Subway was very funny. That scene where Cha Soo Hyun's mom feeds Park Hae Young the sub - I did think that was sort of strange but didn't know what it was all about. I guess Subway sponsored the drama. lol
Overall though, just an excellent, excellent drama!!
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Post by truth on Mar 13, 2016 17:34:33 GMT -5
This is my take of the ending: I thought Detective Lee was in a coma for 15 years. There was that scene where they show his hand on the bed and it twitched. So I decided to believe he was in a coma for 15 years and that now he woke up. And because of this the bad guys left him alone for this long even though they knew where he was all along. Then when they hear that he woke up they rush to the hospital where he is. When Detective Lee stands up from the bed and turns around I felt like if I were a bad guy I'd start trembling with fear. Cuz the man was back! Do you think he got in a coma on the night he was attacked by those mobs with baseball bats? Didn't he send a letter to future Park Haeyoung along with that floppy disk after the night he was attacked? Where did LJH find that floppy disk anyway? I thought Kim Beomju deleted everything. The ending I had in mind before Episode 16 was Park Haeyoung waking up in his room and coming to work, only to find out that nobody remembers who he is, including Cha Soo Hyun, and then her husband Lee Jaehan, who is alive and well, shows up and says Hi to Park Haeyoung. 1) I still can't get over the fact that that guy killed the father for having rescued his own daughter from the bus. It's not like he was saving himself so he neglected the other guy's daughter. He was saving his daughter. If anything you'd think one father would empathize with another father and understand a father's love for a daughter, that like Park Hae Young said before the past changed, he (the father) would've done the same thing if he were in the other father's position. Of all the people to take revenge on!! Shouldn't he have turned his anger on Detective Lee for falsely arresting him and therefore putting him in that position? I felt sorry for this guy, because his daughter wouldn't have died if Park and Lee didn't change the past nor would he have become a murderer. Definitely agree with you on #2. Truth: your comment about the Subway was very funny. That scene where Cha Soo Hyun's mom feeds Park Hae Young the sub - I did think that was sort of strange but didn't know what it was all about. I guess Subway sponsored the drama. lol Yes, it is being sponsored by Subway and it's not the first time they've done it. The director of this drama's previous drama, Misaeng, was also full of Subway ad. I think they ate it almost every week.
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Post by jewel on Mar 13, 2016 18:57:49 GMT -5
Oh shoot, I forgot about that. He also called Cha Soo Hyun from the payphone too. Maybe delayed trauma to the head after he did all that??
KBJ made a copy of the whole file before he deleted all but that one company. Remember at the last confrontation LJH said to him, him being a slimebag that he is he would've made a copy for leverage just in case. At that point I think KBJ looked over at his duffle bag to indicate that Detective Lee had guessed correctly and it was in there. And I'm pretty sure Lee took the bag when he ran from the thugs.
Me too!! I wanted Cha Soo Hyun and Detective Lee to have like three kids too! I so would've loved that... I wanted the brother to live so badly too. Even when Lee couldn't save him the second time I was hoping there was a third time somehow.
I guess you're right... but if they hadn't changed the past all those women buried on that mountain wouldn't have been saved either...
So funny. I saw this drama long ago or actually I only watched like the first episode, if that. It was a drama about making dramas and there was this funny scene where the producer calls the writer of the drama and tells her she has to change the ending so the hero drinks the sponsor's orange juice, that the sponsor complained there was not enough advertisement of their product in the drama. She became very irate and screamed where was the hero supposed to suddenly get a carton of orange juice. He had just fought off a gang of bad guys and the last scene was supposed to be him driving to a beach and then killing himself with a gun. The writer screams, "Do you suggest I have my hero drive to the beach but stop off at a convenient store before that to buy a carton of orange juice and then go to the beach and drink off the juice before blowing his brains out?!?!" Something to that effect. It was very funny.
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Post by truth on Mar 13, 2016 22:12:39 GMT -5
But why would he make a copy? Wouldn't getting rid of everything completely be more beneficial for him? No one can ever find about that corrupted politician nor his relationship with the politician that way.
On #2, I kept thinking "What in the world is she doing?" It was hard for me to understand her motive. And it's not like she was a bad person, either. It would've made more sense if they made her turn on Sunwoo because she was paid off by the politician, not just because of threats from her alcoholic father, but it didn't seem like that was the case, and she looked too innocent to accept bribery. Her in 30s refusing to help Park Haeyoung in the future, because she was afraid of what people would think of her, especially now that she had husband and children, I was just like "Come on, seriously? What about Park Haeyoung's family? You ruined his entire family, dammit!"
Oh, yeah, in addition to the ending I had in mind, I think it would've been funny if Kim Gyecheol tells Lee Jaehan "Come on, let's do the Five Oceans(Oh Dae Yang) case. The most mysterious case in the history of Republic of Korea!" after asking if LJH knew who Park Haeyoung is. Lee Jaehan would then answer him by saying "Let's do it, that Five Oceans thing." Gyecheol goes all happy now that they are finally doing the case he was singing about from Day 1 and Park Haeyoung smiles upon seeing that.
One other thing I thought didn't make sense was Shin Dahye pretending to be dead and going into hiding in Germany. Why would she play dead for 15 years?
Do you think Ahn Chisu died in 2000? I kinda feel sorry for him since he was killed for trying to help Park Haeyoung in the future.
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Post by jewel on Mar 13, 2016 23:30:06 GMT -5
I think the idea was to use the copy as a safety net against the evil congressmen if he ever turned on him. (Which I think he did at the end.)
Agree with everything you say here. As far as bribery, I think there was a little scene where Kim Bum Ju had her in his car and gave her a little talking to, but it was very weak.
And what's ironic is that the whole incident started because she was sticking up for Park Sun Woo (not in any way blaming her you understand, just saying what happened). Remember when that piece-of-filth boy made fun of Sun Woo? If she had just walked out of the house without saying anything, I got the feeling the guy wouldn't have attacked her. But she said Sun Woo was much smarter than him cuz he got first place cuz he had tutors but Sun Woo got third place just studying all by himself. So her personality was not meek and mild either. She would've been the kind of girl that would've fought back to get the right guys punished. It would just have been so much better if they had her in such shock that she wasn't able to testify at all.
I thought Park Hae Young was so patient with her. If I had been in his position I'm not sure that I wouldn't have just lunged across the table for her throat.
So funny - I would've loved this ending too. You know what I really wanted to happen after Lee couldn't save Sun Woo? I wanted him to intentionally die again at the end so the transmission would start all over again from 1989 and this time do everything right, including saving Sun Woo. I just wanted him saved so badly. It really broke my heart to see him die like that.
You know what would be great? If they came out with 5 or 6 different versions of episode 16. I would so love that!! They could do so much with the ending - one funny, one serious, one sad... Ohmgosh...
I don't know if I can explain why but the ending to this drama reminds me of the endings to Blade Runner and I Am Legend, two of many movies I happen to love. All three dramas leave me with this feeling that the world we live in can be very scary but also full of hope and promise. That if we all stick with what's right and always have hope that the world can also be beautiful.
I know, I thought that was a litttle extreme too. But what really bothered me with all that was how in the world did she manage to switch identity with the dead girl? They tried to explain that but I thought they sort of brushed it off.
I think Ahn went to prison. Remember he got shot in the shoulder by the back up force that arrived on time to save Lee? It wasn't made clear whether Ahn would've shot Lee this time around.
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Post by truth on Mar 14, 2016 0:12:44 GMT -5
If the floppy disk was supposed to be used as a safety net, how did those mobs find where he and LJH were? Is he the one who called them over? Or did he call LJH to hand the floppy disk over? As for the Five Oceans(Oh Dae Yang) case, do you know why they never investigated that case in the drama? They never do it because it's actually a real case. The 1989 serial murder case is based on actual unsolved case as well, but they gave the town in this case a different name and created fictional victims. The Five Oceans case, however, is actually called exactly as it is called in real life. I think the writer wanted to tell the viewers that there are real criminal cases out there that are yet to be solved unlike the fictional cases shown in the drama by having Kim Gyecheol continuously sing about the Five Oceans case, which no one else in this drama, including Park Haeyoung, cares about. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Baptist_Church_of_Korea#Odaeyang_mass_suicide (Oh Dae Yang/Five Oceans) Real life case that the Southern Gyeonggi serial murders from this drama is based on. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwaseong_serial_murdersThere's a movie about this case called Memories of Murder, which I really liked. Do you think Kim Seongbeom of 2000 was arrested? I hope he was. This is my take of the ending: I thought Detective Lee was in a coma for 15 years. There was that scene where they show his hand on the bed and it twitched. So I decided to believe he was in a coma for 15 years and that now he woke up. And because of this the bad guys left him alone for this long even though they knew where he was all along. Then when they hear that he woke up they rush to the hospital where he is. When Detective Lee stands up from the bed and turns around I felt like if I were a bad guy I'd start trembling with fear. Cuz the man was back! But didn't it look like he's been having conversations with someone else from future with his walkie-talkie? Who sent the text-message to Cha Su Hyun warning her to not come to the hospital on February 7th(or was it 8th?)
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Post by sageuk on Mar 14, 2016 0:26:05 GMT -5
I actually made a tvtropes page for this show. tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/SignalIn it, I wrote that the very first case of the show, the Yoon-jung kidnapping, bore similarities to a kidnapping and death of a boy- a crime that the Korean film Voice of a Murderer was based on.
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Post by jewel on Mar 14, 2016 17:09:01 GMT -5
I figure when KBJ is on the run, he calls the congressman to ask for help, maybe telling him he has a copy of the disk. The congressman sends out the thugs to get rid of him now that he's no longer useful to him.
Thanks for the links. Interesting read. Is the statute of limitations for murder in Korea still enforced or is it really gone like in the drama?
I think so cuz he was standing right behind Ahn when the back-up cops showed up to save Detective Lee. Or did the cops shoot him dead? Either way, he's dead and rotting in hell or arrested and rotting in prison. Whichever one fine with me.
This is a bit tricky... I don't understand who he's been talking to. I mean the reason Lee and Park hooked up with the walkie-talkie is cuz Lee died and they were throwing his stuff away and Park happened to be there to find the radio. Now this time Lee didn't die and supposedly kept the walkie-talkie with him the whole time so who is he communicating with? Unless he dies after 2015 (maybe on the 8th??) and someone finds his walkie-talkie in the future and so what we know as the present has become the past... Ugrh, so confusing! Maybe the future Park sent the text to Chae. Who knows. And couldn't Lee's communication have taken place after he got out of the coma? I don't know...
Very nice, it was a fun read. Liked the Police Are Useless link too. I guess police really are just normal people trying to get through the day. Often we get police confused with superheroes or something. In Signal when young Park Hae Young is trying to tell people that it was a woman and not a man who took the girl and all the police were ignoring him I thought to myself would they really do that? Would they really ignore new information like that? And I guess the answer is yes, they can.
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Post by truth on Mar 14, 2016 18:46:08 GMT -5
Statute of limitations is really gone like the drama.
Future Park sent the text to Cha? But how would he be able to send a text message to the past? Does the future Park have a paranormal smartphone? lol
One more thing I wanna say about this drama is that the soundtracks were superb.
My 2 favorite soundtracks are
this
and this
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Post by jewel on Mar 14, 2016 19:52:23 GMT -5
Sorry, I got a little carried away. Okay, got it figured out. This is how it went down: The future whoever (Park most likely) communicated to the present Lee about what's gonna happen in the hospital (you know, the thugs invading). Lee wants to warn Cha and Park but he knows they do not have the walkie-talkie cuz he's had it all along so he sends a text to Cha knowing that most likely Cha kept the same phone number way from when in case he ever tried to contact her. And he was right, she did keep the same number and she got the text. From Lee. How's that?
Very eerie. Not my type of music usually but I like it, very fitting for the drama.
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Post by truth on Mar 14, 2016 20:01:36 GMT -5
That does sound convincing. Do you think there will be a Season 2? The writer kind of made it seem like there might be a next season. One little thing I want to point out is that her name is Cha, not Chae. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(TV_series)Kim Hye-soo as Cha Soo-hyun (from Wikipedia)
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Post by sageuk on Mar 14, 2016 20:39:02 GMT -5
The soundtrack that plays when something melancholic happens....example being when Lt. Park sees the asphysiation killer in a mental inistitute or when the butterfly effect takes place with the montage of the bridge collapse. I can't find the name of that song.
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